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Old 01-17-2019, 07:45 PM   #1
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which motor/transmission combo would you pick?

which motor/transmission combo would you prefer?

Bus #02-01 2001 FREIGHTLINER FS65 72 PASSENGER S/A BUS C/W: Cummins ISB 5.9 litre, diesel, 205 hp, A/T, spring susp, A/C, 10000 lb frts, 19000 lb rears, 276 in. WB Hours/Mileage: 367,112 km, 10613 hours

Bus #02-04 1998 INTERNATIONAL 3800 72 PASSENGER S/A BUS C/W: Cummins T444E 7.3 litre, diesel, 190 hp, A/T, spring susp, A/C, rear view camera, 276 in. WB, fire suppression Hours/Mileage: 198,799 km, 10836 hours

Bus #02-06 2001 INTERNATIONAL 3800 72 PASSENGER S/A BUS C/W: DT466E 7.6 litre, diesel, 195 hp, Spicer 7 spd, spring susp, A/C, rear view camera, 10000 lb frt, 19000 lb rears, 276 in. WB, fire suppression Hours/Mileage: 231,269 km, 7922 hours
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which motor/transmission combo would you prefer?

Bus #02-01 2001 FREIGHTLINER FS65 72 PASSENGER S/A BUS C/W: Cummins ISB 5.9 litre, diesel, 205 hp, A/T, spring susp, A/C, 10000 lb frts, 19000 lb rears, 276 in. WB Hours/Mileage: 367,112 km, 10613 hours

Bus #02-04 1998 INTERNATIONAL 3800 72 PASSENGER S/A BUS C/W: Cummins T444E 7.3 litre, diesel, 190 hp, A/T, spring susp, A/C, rear view camera, 276 in. WB, fire suppression Hours/Mileage: 198,799 km, 10836 hours

Bus #02-06 2001 INTERNATIONAL 3800 72 PASSENGER S/A BUS C/W: DT466E 7.6 litre, diesel, 195 hp, Spicer 7 spd, spring susp, A/C, rear view camera, 10000 lb frt, 19000 lb rears, 276 in. WB, fire suppression Hours/Mileage: 231,269 km, 7922 hours
The 2001 International ALL the way.
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Old 01-18-2019, 07:15 AM   #3
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I agree! The 2001 Freightliner would be pick #2, but the mileage is a bit on the high side. I would not consider #2.
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Old 01-18-2019, 07:46 AM   #4
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definitely the 01 navistar.. both the FS65 and the 98 navustar have pretty high hours.. the T-444E is likely goingto need injectors soon at that number of hours.. and wont have the power you are looking for..
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Old 01-18-2019, 09:23 AM   #5
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3rd, followed by 1st and then 2nd
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#3 all the way

I would do the DT466E and the manual transmission all the way. Wet sleeve engine and a manual transmission.
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That one should have an OD for 7th, right?
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Old 01-21-2019, 04:17 PM   #8
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I was looking at doing a cable shift FSO-8406 Fuller 6 speed, but then I thought about mom having to drive it in the hills of Colorado, yah Ill keep the Allison.
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That one should have an OD for 7th, right?
There are two spicer 7 spds. Both are syncronized. One is over drive.
Es52-7b, which I have, and an ESO66-7b. O for overdrive.

Es52 gear ratio's
1-10.09
2-5.98
3-3.72
4-2.56
5-1.81
6-1.35
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R-8.99

ESO66
1-7.48
2-4.43
3-2.76
4-1.90
5-1.34
6-1.00
7-.74
R-6.66

I have driven many manual transmissions. It's not my favorite, but nothing wrong with it either. It does not like to be shifted in a hurry.
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Bus #02-06 2001 INTERNATIONAL 3800 72 PASSENGER S/A BUS C/W: DT466E 7.6 litre, diesel, 195 hp, Spicer 7 spd, spring susp, A/C, rear view camera, 10000 lb frt, 19000 lb rears, 276 in. WB, fire suppression Hours/Mileage: 231,269 km, 7922 hours
The last one would be my choice also. It's about the same spec as mine, except electronic. The 195 is low on hp like mine was. Which you won't be able to get easy hp gains like my mech engine. Mine was ok with the orginal 190hp and 4.44 gears and 10r tires. Once I went to 4.10 and 11r tires I needed the extra hp.
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The last one would be my choice also. It's about the same spec as mine, except electronic. The 195 is low on hp like mine was. Which you won't be able to get easy hp gains like my mech engine. Mine was ok with the orginal 190hp and 4.44 gears and 10r tires. Once I went to 4.10 and 11r tires I needed the extra hp.
Its easy to gain HP on a DT466E. Just get to know christopher!
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:54 AM   #12
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to an extent. the 466E's have more hardware differences in the High HP models than the 444E does. as part of a Soup-up package, altering the computer will put more fire in the hole, just have to make sure you match it with enough air
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Its easy to gain HP on a DT466E. Just get to know christopher!
I'll keep Christopher's name in my pocket, 'in case' - lol
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:51 PM   #14
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we can turn em up pretty high.. but making more power cna tend to scatter more parts
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On any number of diesel engines it is almost TOO easy to turn up the power. The result has been quite a few toasted trannys that were never meant to handle the HP & torque folks crank'em up to.


And then there is everything else...more speed needs more brakes...driveshafts that can't handle the RPM's go wonky...tires not rated for higher speeds can be a hazard...etc., etc., etc.
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On any number of diesel engines it is almost TOO easy to turn up the power. The result has been quite a few toasted trannys that were never meant to handle the HP & torque folks crank'em up to.


And then there is everything else...more speed needs more brakes...driveshafts that can't handle the RPM's go wonky...tires not rated for higher speeds can be a hazard...etc., etc., etc.

I'm more concerned with climbing hills than going fast
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Oh, I do love me some more power. My little 4BT is cranked up close to 200 (from 130) as near as I can tell. Just need to not go crazy and balance the power with all the other systems.


I installed 4 wheel disk brakes...have new High V tubeless tires...a custom built driveshaft...and...a 6 speed tranny that can handle twice the power I'm throwing at it.
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Oh, I do love me some more power. My little 4BT is cranked up close to 200 (from 130) as near as I can tell. Just need to not go crazy and balance the power with all the other systems.


I installed 4 wheel disk brakes...have new High V tubeless tires...a custom built driveshaft...and...a 6 speed tranny that can handle twice the power I'm throwing at it.



Ive blown up a lot of stuff over the years crankin up the power.. heck ive roasted 2 damn AT545s without ever touching the power...
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The 2001 International ALL the way.
what do they have for a ratio on the rear diff. I have a 466 with the spicer and a 4.78 rear end... all the torque id ever need however if you are going to use it for highway... you will be limited to about 65 mph and that's with the engine at high revs. My spicer is the Eos 52 so no over drive, If you had the other one with the overdrive then you are golden!
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what do they have for a ratio on the rear diff. I have a 466 with the spicer and a 4.78 rear end... all the torque id ever need however if you are going to use it for highway... you will be limited to about 65 mph and that's with the engine at high revs. My spicer is the Eos 52 so no over drive, If you had the other one with the overdrive then you are golden!
I'd even take a non-OD. ANY transmission is an upgrade over a 545!
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