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Old 05-14-2019, 02:48 PM   #31
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I forgot to say they told me they would refund my tubing (about $40) and I could keep the tubing! imagine that markup....
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Old 05-14-2019, 03:40 PM   #32
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I called the guys who bend tubing for a living, that I mentioned in the first post. They said they could sell me "carbon-steel" tubing that "I promise you you can bend yourself." The walls are 0.043" thick -thicker than the "mild steel" tubing I have now. That also means a more narrow inner-diameter; but hopefully not enough to increase pressure or decrease volume of fluids.

Ironically, she said they hand-bend the tubing when the bend is too small for the machine! So SHE knows more about bending tubing than the guys in the back doing the work, apparently. She really actually seemed to know what she was talking about.
I hope to pick it up tomorrow...
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Old 05-15-2019, 03:09 PM   #33
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I got up at 6:30AM after going to sleep at 2AM, drove my roommate 40 mins to work in rush hour traffic, drove home in rush hour traffic, drove and hour half-way across the Atlanta area (Atl was just named the worst city in the US for a commute, again) to pick up my tubing from



Royal Brass and Hose


the company where nobody has a f-ing clue.


She promised me the tubing could be bent and flaired by hand.


I could use it for ladder rungs without it bending.


Same "feel" of steel as the last guys ("Carbon" steel vs "Mild" steel), except thicker walls. I even questioned her about the walls being so thick.


I called her back and thanked her for wasting my day. Stupid...


Now I gotta drive another 1.25 hours though rush hour to get my roommate.
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Old 05-15-2019, 04:04 PM   #34
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Old 05-15-2019, 06:38 PM   #35
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I got up at 6:30AM after going to sleep at 2AM, drove my roommate 40 mins to work in rush hour traffic, drove home in rush hour traffic, drove and hour half-way across the Atlanta area (Atl was just named the worst city in the US for a commute, again) to pick up my tubing from



Royal Brass and Hose


the company where nobody has a f-ing clue.


She promised me the tubing could be bent and flaired by hand.


I could use it for ladder rungs without it bending.


Same "feel" of steel as the last guys ("Carbon" steel vs "Mild" steel), except thicker walls. I even questioned her about the walls being so thick.


I called her back and thanked her for wasting my day. Stupid...


Now I gotta drive another 1.25 hours though rush hour to get my roommate.
Find a competent hydraulic shop. They bend steel piping.
OTOH, with the relatively low pressures in a transmission oil loop, I would just use soft copper tubing available at any home-improvement store.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:27 AM   #36
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Find a competent hydraulic shop. They bend steel piping.
OTOH, with the relatively low pressures in a transmission oil loop, I would just use soft copper tubing available at any home-improvement store.
competent is the key word. If they can't tell me how tight of a turn they can make, how can I make a mock-up with thinner tubing and know they can copy it with thicker tubing?


Oh, the copper tubing....that's the other half of the day's frustrations.


I stopped by the local Home Depot to order the plastic-shielded copper tubing I saw online. Went to the customer service desk. Stood in line a few minutes, as the two old women who were working the counter were helping others. No sweat. The customers left, and they ignored me and started sl...lo..ow..wl..ly started moving items from a shelf to a basket. NO "I'll be with you in a minute" or anything. Old, as in 40-50ish looking. I'm 50, but young. They probably eat typical grocery store food, so their bodies are full of toxins. Your body stores these toxins in its joints, so when you move they are released, and your body feels bad and slows down. Eventually as you age, you get so used to it, it just seems totally natural.


Anywhos...as I stood there, another old man showed up and looked at me and asked if I have been helped. Obviously not, but....


Me: no


old man: what do you need?


Me: I came to find out about some tubing I saw...


[[before I could say anything else]]
old guy: OK, hold on...
[[calls someone on the phone]]
old guy: he'll be right over.


45 second later a young guy shows up and we get introduced. I think he is about to help me, when he looks at me like I'm a "cut-in-line me-first!!!" kinda pushy snob and says he will be with me in a minute because he is helping another woman. OK. No prob.


He tells me to follow him to the plumbing isle in the meantime. OK. So I go there and wait. I look at the 1/2" copper tubing and note it is so flexible, if a tom-cat claims my bus and rubs its whiskers on my tubing, he may bend it. A soft bump may kink it.


5 -10 minutes and the guy is back.


young guy: so what do you need?


[[edited for time]]



Me: I saw some 1/2" OD copper tubing wrapped in plastic stuff online, and I want to know if the diameter of the copper is 1/2" or the tubing with the plastic is 1/2". I also would like to know if there is a fitting to adapt from the 1/2" OD to 1/2" ID copper pipe.


[[guy spend a minute looking up the product on his phone. never answers the first question.]]


guy: I don't know about any fitting to make the adaption. what else do you need?


Me: I want to know if it is available for pickup anywhere in north GA. I'll go get it today.



[[guy looks on his phone again]]


guy: no.



[[says something else, I forget]]



Me: I just need to order it. That's why I came to customer service.


guy: OK. Any other questions?


Me: Only if you happen to know of the right fitting to connect to 1/2ID pipe.


guy: [[cocks an attitude and starts getting mad]] I told you I don't know anything about that.


[[up until that point I was sweet to him. Then I showed my growing impatience]]


Me: I just want to order it. That's why I came to CUSTOMER SERVICE.


[[guy gives me another attitude, and tells me to follow him to customer service, but I just walked away. He followed me. I let the old man up front know the guy he hooked me up with was a JA.]]


So I went to the other Home Depot 20 minutes farther away. Super nice young lady helped me order it. Still had to go through their website. Still asked for my email. I told her "NO. Put whatever in the box". Still had to type in my HD card number and send it through the internet to some server somewhere where it can be hacked.


It will be a week for it to get here. Sigh.




In the mean time, I will look for a "competent" hydraulic supply company that does tubing. I find plenty that does hose. There is another that was recommended to me. Don't remember, but will check that next.


But I really just want to find the correct tube and do it myself, as I will have to bend brake line to fit for a mockup to be copied anyway.


If only I had done MY homework instead of letting the "experts" at a "competent" hydraulic shop tell me what to do, I would have read this quote from Wikipedia:


As the carbon percentage content rises, steel has the ability to become harder and stronger through heat treating; however, it becomes less ductile.



and would have known that the carbon steel tubing they were pushing on me was total crap. It would crack before it would flair.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:55 AM   #37
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And the best part of my day was watching a car pull out from a right-side driveway to cross our 3 lanes of traffic. The 3 lanes the other direction were packed full. The car momentarily stopped in my (slow) lane, and moved to the fast lane and ....just.....stopped.
We were doing over 50, maybe 60. Me and a full-size Dodge Ram. But that was a 1/4 mile away. As I approached I went to honk at another moron, didn't slow down. Neither did the Ram. I thought for sure it would. It was a car's length ahead of me.



There was no drivers side left in the car that was t-boned. The front half of the Ram's dognose was gone. I bet the motor was in his lap.


Both were at fault. The Ram had time enough to stop twice.



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