Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 08-10-2017, 08:17 AM   #21
Mini-Skoolie
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 58
We are converting a 1996 International AmTran currently and it has been an absolute joy! I love the oversized entry door! I also like that the bottom step is oversized. It not only runs like a dream but it looks great also. When I was doing my research before we picked it up I noticed that actual school bus drivers mostly didn't like them for 2 of the reasons that I love them. Oversized door and oversized step. They thought these features were dumb because the Amtrans had more narrow isles. They said it didn't make any sense. But that was actual school bus drivers. For us converting these buses it's wonderful features because we tear the seats out anyways obviously! I love the old school controls for everything too. And even though the drivers seat isn't air ride it's unbelievably comfortable with an arm rest on both sides which is huge to me for long trips! Another great thing about my AmTran is the wiring seems to be more straight forward and sample compared to other buses I've seen. I know you're not talking specifically about the AmTran body but I'm telling you if you find one definitely consider it to convert. Everything has been a breeze so far with the gutting process. Oh ya, and NO interior rivets! All screws! The only thing I'm concerned with this far is that above the windows on the exterior there is only one row of rivets, not 2 rows like a lot of buses so all of the research I've done on my roofraise is mostly a wash without two rows of rivets so I'll have to think on that more.
The Rockwood Colony is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2017, 08:52 AM   #22
Skoolie
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: iowa
Posts: 247
Year: 1998
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: chevy
Engine: 3116 catapillar
Rated Cap: formerly 71 now 2 or 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB View Post
the buses of TODAY won't be around in 15 years. They're like new cars. Old stuff is fixable and re-usable. The latest diesel engines are SO BAD that schools are ordering buses with propane, gas, natural gas, etc.
The good buses for us folks to convert ended with tier 2 emissions.
sad as this news is its true after being a truck mech for 20 years (i went to driving 10 years ago)i quit when the gov forced emission (def) systems before we had the tech perfected. lots of the early systems were junk i was towed many times when it clogged( these motors only liked hot weather) the cost can be staggering (my cheapest tow and repair was over 5k) unless you understand tier 2 emissions id say stay away
mmoore6856 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2017, 08:57 AM   #23
Skoolie
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: iowa
Posts: 247
Year: 1998
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: chevy
Engine: 3116 catapillar
Rated Cap: formerly 71 now 2 or 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Papajoe View Post
I sort asked this in another thread. I am just ready to get a bus to convert. I have always liked the International IC RE as for as looks and the way it drives. So why does it seem that very very few are being used for converting and why are so many going with Blue Bird and Thomas? Am I missing something?
its the same as ford chevy dodge (ect) we have our own strange reasons but it still a bus
mmoore6856 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2017, 05:45 PM   #24
New Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 4
What would you say would be a good year/make/engine/etc to look for? I am really wanting to do a schoolie, but JEEEEZE there are a lot of different options out there. I was about to fall into the newer must be better trap...
Dropkicksmurfy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2017, 06:01 PM   #25
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 19,394
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropkicksmurfy View Post
What would you say would be a good year/make/engine/etc to look for? I am really wanting to do a schoolie, but JEEEEZE there are a lot of different options out there. I was about to fall into the newer must be better trap...
About 1990-2000 is my year range for bus hunting.
__________________
.
Roll Your Own Build Thread
EastCoastCB is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2017, 06:09 PM   #26
Skoolie
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: iowa
Posts: 247
Year: 1998
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: chevy
Engine: 3116 catapillar
Rated Cap: formerly 71 now 2 or 4
Yea cb has some good info. Stay away from any with the emission crap as maintance and repair can be costly. Commit at 6 months to study but dont buy even if you think its a good deal. And you will get a good education. Then arrange your funds and start looking. Do not buy the first one you can afford. Patience here young grasshopper or you will be roadkill
mmoore6856 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2017, 06:10 PM   #27
Skoolie
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: iowa
Posts: 247
Year: 1998
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: chevy
Engine: 3116 catapillar
Rated Cap: formerly 71 now 2 or 4
I think there are lots more bb and thomis available
mmoore6856 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2017, 11:15 PM   #28
Bus Nut
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Middle Tennessee
Posts: 258
In Tennessee you can run a conventional for 12 years, a flat nose for 15 with one inspection a year. After that you can run extended for 3 more years with inspections twice a year. After the extended time you can run until you reach 200,000 miles with inspections twice a year. Rust is the biggest enemy to passing inspections. Everything else can be fixed.
__________________
Daddy, can we go on a trip again??
'85 Thomas SafTLiner RE
3208 NA CAT MT643
boojiewoojie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2017, 10:55 AM   #29
Skoolie
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: iowa
Posts: 247
Year: 1998
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: chevy
Engine: 3116 catapillar
Rated Cap: formerly 71 now 2 or 4
Navistar just lost a big settlement for making and selling engines that were bad
mmoore6856 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2017, 02:03 PM   #30
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 19,394
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmoore6856 View Post
Navistar just lost a big settlement for making and selling engines that were bad
Its near impossible to build good ones anymore.
__________________
.
Roll Your Own Build Thread
EastCoastCB is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2017, 02:19 PM   #31
Skoolie
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: iowa
Posts: 247
Year: 1998
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: chevy
Engine: 3116 catapillar
Rated Cap: formerly 71 now 2 or 4
The lawsuit said that navistar knew about the defects and still sold them some exes that testafied admitted it
mmoore6856 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2017, 02:20 PM   #32
Skoolie
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: iowa
Posts: 247
Year: 1998
Coachwork: bluebird
Chassis: chevy
Engine: 3116 catapillar
Rated Cap: formerly 71 now 2 or 4
This was newer stuff made in the last 10 years or so
mmoore6856 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2017, 02:46 PM   #33
Bus Geek
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 12,241
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
ha!! its really tough like ECCB says to make engines that last. my guess is that the MaxxForce 7 and MaxxForce 9 are listed in the settlement.. they were some pretty bad engines.. even worse than the VT-365
-Christopher
cadillackid is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2017, 09:00 PM   #34
Bus Geek
 
EastCoastCB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 19,394
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid View Post
ha!! its really tough like ECCB says to make engines that last. my guess is that the MaxxForce 7 and MaxxForce 9 are listed in the settlement.. they were some pretty bad engines.. even worse than the VT-365
-Christopher
Nothing is worse than the pos oil chugging lemon under the hood of my 2013 Subaru.
Newer mechanical things are, in general, crap when compared to the good old stuff.
__________________
.
Roll Your Own Build Thread
EastCoastCB is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2017, 09:25 PM   #35
Bus Geek
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 12,241
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
not just mechanical, electrical too...

couple examples - I was feeling nostalgic today so I pulled out my old pioneer reel to reel deck.. first off, the thing weighs a good 40 lbs. (show me a stereo today made out of real wood and 1/4" thick aluminum for the front plate...).. I got this thing in the 80s, second hand .. it was built in 73.. I put a reel on, and it plays great.. (one pre-amp is starting to crackle.. not bad for almost 45 years old!)

second example.. im into vintage christmas lights.. for a long time ive used newer christmas lights in my nightlights around the house.. they last a couple months at most and gone.. a few years ago i bought some lights from a "less than stellar" seller on Flea-Bay.. oh they light up.. they are from the mid 1960s .. they are used and all the paint is scratched up badly.. so useless on a christmas tree.. I use those poor vintage bulbs in my night lights.. and wow! a couple have lasted almost a YEAR.. others were 6-9 months... heck even some of my CFL's and LED;s burnb out before that!!! (in household bulbs)..

and of course engines.. the 5.9 litre DT-360 in my DEV takes up twice the physical space that the 444E in RedByrd does and its 7.3 litres.. seems theres a lot more METAL in the DT.. granted the 7.3 is still running nicely but still it was the beginning of the end of the BRUTE and SOLID construction of diesel engines.. really these days Cummins is the only one who still makes solid engines.. (no wonder they are whats in any diesel school bus these days)...

-Christopher
cadillackid is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2017, 01:06 AM   #36
Bus Geek
 
Tango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
Roger the above. And don't even get me started on the use of PLASTIC parts inside internal combustion engines.
Tango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2017, 09:40 AM   #37
Bus Geek
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 12,241
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tango View Post
Roger the above. And don't even get me started on the use of PLASTIC parts inside internal combustion engines.
im not sure why they did that.. esp the oil filter standpipe.. granted running your oil temperature up to 260 degrees is severe Driver error.. however shame on IHC for not providing an oil temperature gauge standard..

-Christopher
cadillackid is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2017, 09:55 AM   #38
Bus Crazy
 
Njsurf73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,497
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 24v
Rated Cap: 72 pax
Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB View Post
Nothing is worse than the pos oil chugging lemon under the hood of my 2013 Subaru.
Newer mechanical things are, in general, crap when compared to the good old stuff.
I had the same issue with my 2013 Forester. 0w20??? Oil I think. They replaced quite a few engines that came from the factory consuming large amounts of oil. When they got up right they ran like a top when they got them wrong they suck down oil all the time. According to my mechanic it was a known issue. There were six months that I had that car but it's spent in dealership after dealership as I traveled across the country for work renting cars...


Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
Njsurf73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×