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Old 12-13-2013, 10:35 AM   #11
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Re: 4x4 Zebra Bus!

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Here is your $5000-$12000 set of axles, and your $1000 transfer case, asking $1100:

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4233827372.html

I've seen those parts sell cheaper, but that's what a quick craigslist search turned up. You know the bus would be worth about $2000 the way it came.

Leaf spring suspension isn't tough. The transfer cases in the deuces are divorced, so they're not tough to make work.

Go ahead and give they guy $36k for it, sell it to the oil field and make a fortune.
You fail. That is a 5 ton, not a 2.5 ton. Completely different price range. Again you don't know what your talking about.

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Old 12-13-2013, 01:24 PM   #12
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Re: 4x4 Zebra Bus!

5 tons being worth less than 2 1/2 tons isn't what I've seen.

5 tons would be a better choice for a bus because the deuce shafts aren't that strong, and the 5 ton bolt pattern matches civilian OTR trucks, allowing you to run a broad range of wheels and tires. The bus wouldn't care about the extra weight of the 5 tons.

Boyce is the most expensive place to buy rockwells, for people that don't know what salvage yards are, and you can get a pair of 2 1/2 tons for $1600.

http://www.boyceequipment.com/#!rockwel ... xles/c1so0

The five tons are $2500.

http://www.boyceequipment.com/#!rockwel ... axles/c55i

A salvage yard near where I live used to have pairs of deuce rockwells for $600 a pair. They ended up cutting up a bunch of trucks, kinda sad. I heard the other day they are selling complete trucks that are in excellent shape for $6k.

Here's a complete 2 1/2 ton truck in decent shape for $3k obo. That is ballpark for my area.

http://www.nextechclassifieds.com/listings/view/645856/
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Old 12-13-2013, 03:43 PM   #13
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Re: 4x4 Zebra Bus!

Motobus, While I don't plan to play with a deuce and a half anytime soon, I do appreciate your having taken the time to come up with the data you presented and I'd have to agree that the zebra bus is way overpriced--to say nothing of the fact that it has very limited appeal to most of us.

On another topic, I just noticed that your bus has a Superior body as does mine. Do you happen to know when Superior bodies ceased production? Thanks
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Old 12-13-2013, 09:14 PM   #14
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I researched this project for my own bus years ago and luckily had enough sense not to do it. I ended up puting rockwells under a suburban, slightly less retarded, but you do learn by doing. I don't know any history on Superior.
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Old 12-13-2013, 10:40 PM   #15
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Re: 4x4 Zebra Bus!

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5 tons being worth less than 2 1/2 tons isn't what I've seen.

5 tons would be a better choice for a bus because the deuce shafts aren't that strong, and the 5 ton bolt pattern matches civilian OTR trucks, allowing you to run a broad range of wheels and tires. The bus wouldn't care about the extra weight of the 5 tons.

Boyce is the most expensive place to buy rockwells, for people that don't know what salvage yards are, and you can get a pair of 2 1/2 tons for $1600.

http://www.boyceequipment.com/#!rockwel ... xles/c1so0

The five tons are $2500.

http://www.boyceequipment.com/#!rockwel ... axles/c55i

A salvage yard near where I live used to have pairs of deuce rockwells for $600 a pair. They ended up cutting up a bunch of trucks, kinda sad. I heard the other day they are selling complete trucks that are in excellent shape for $6k.

Here's a complete 2 1/2 ton truck in decent shape for $3k obo. That is ballpark for my area.

http://www.nextechclassifieds.com/listings/view/645856/
The bus was over priced $10 000. I would do the same. Leaves room for people to talk the price down.

I live and breath 4x4. The more you post here, the more you prove how little you know and understand on this topic.

Initial purchase price is the smallest part of the total cost of the 2.5 ton Rockwell axles. All the hours of grinding, cleaning, welding, and a bunch of after market internal components to bring it up to a state that can be used under a 4x4 truck. Hell, even the gearing has to be changed if you want to drive faster that 40 miles a hour. Gears for each axle cost $1100

No one wants 5 ton Rockwells due to the weight. A 5 ton axle weighs over 1000 pounds each. 2.5 tons are more than strong enough, and weigh the same as a one ton axle after removing the massive break drums and other excess steel brackets. At 500 pounds, the 2.5 ton is the best strength to weight ratio.

When I posted a set of axles costing over $10 000, I was serious. By the time you add breaks, steering, locking hubs, gears, lug pattern change so you don't need custom rims, ect they cost over $5000 each.

Gear sets
http://www.ouversonusa.com/gearsets.php

Axle shafts
http://www.ouversonusa.com/rockwell_axles.php

Traction control
http://www.ouversonusa.com/rockwell_tc.php

Breaks. Price is Per corner.
http://www.ouversonusa.com/rockwell_super8_front.php

Locking hubs. Price is per corner.
http://www.ouversonusa.com/lockouts.php

Hubs to convert to a standard 8 lug bolt pattern so you don't need custom 6 lug rims. Price is per corner.
http://www.ouversonusa.com/rockwell_16hub.php

That should help you get the picture.

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Old 12-13-2013, 10:44 PM   #16
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Re: 4x4 Zebra Bus!

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I researched this project for my own bus years ago and luckily had enough sense not to do it. I ended up puting rockwells under a suburban, slightly less retarded, but you do learn by doing. I don't know any history on Superior.

No, putting them under something with a light flimsy frame is retarded. Suburbans were only made in 3/4 tons. No real metal there to work with.

A bus would have had the weight to use the axles.

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Old 12-14-2013, 01:05 PM   #17
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Old 12-14-2013, 02:31 PM   #18
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Re: 4x4 Zebra Bus!

I thought the argument here was the asking price of the bus, which you are defending. You used the $5-12k price for axles to support your position. There are no axle mods listed in the add and you said $5-12k. Why do you now come up with a list of aftermarket parts not listed in the add? Are going to prove the value of those Rockwells by the cost of parts that aren't there?

As far as Rockwells under my Suburban, you said yourself, without the stock brakes Rockwells can be brought down within the weight range of one tons. One tons are not doable in a Suburban? The frame is just going to fold up?
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Old 12-14-2013, 04:56 PM   #19
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Why do you now come up with a list of aftermarket parts not listed in the add? Are going to prove the value of those Rockwells by the cost of parts that aren't there?
If they are under the bus they have been modified. It's that simple.

I'm done with this. I made my point. Now please relate to my signature. It's there just for people like you.

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Old 12-15-2013, 06:03 AM   #20
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Re: 4x4 Zebra Bus!

I will say this a D60/D70 or 14bolt are a lot lighter than any striped and mohawked 2-1/2 front, and if you use oversons axle shafts and parts it is plenty strong enough.
And just because they are heavy and geared at 6:72 doesn't mean they will fold a frame?
Have run many a rig and buggy with rocks and 44's never any issues aside from everything weighs so much
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