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06-23-2017, 08:02 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Many of you have probably seen this. It shows the transmission cases to identify which transmissions are which and a bit more.
http://manuals.chudov.com/M939-Serie...ors-Manual.pdf
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Nobody's Business
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06-23-2017, 09:12 PM
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#2543
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Originally Posted by Robin97396
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well that went fast!
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06-23-2017, 10:39 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Yeah, I think I missed that date thing. Interesting how much it went for in 2015.
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Nobody's Business
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06-26-2017, 09:05 PM
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#2545
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Kalispell, MT
Posts: 290
Year: 1993
Coachwork: Amtran Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466
Rated Cap: 84
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91 Crown
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06-26-2017, 09:41 PM
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Skoolie
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Terra Alta, WV
Posts: 153
Chassis: Sold
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Someone should get on a plane tomorrow and give that thing a home.
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06-26-2017, 09:45 PM
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#2547
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Eastern WA
Posts: 6,401
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American RE (A3RE)
Engine: Cummins ISC (8.3)
Rated Cap: 72
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Originally Posted by Asetechrail
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Not the Crown I a used to seeing. I would love to hear from one of our resident Crown guru's what we are looking at.
Thanks in advance.
S.
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06-26-2017, 10:26 PM
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#2548
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 855
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: Cummins 8.3/Allison MD3060
Rated Cap: 84
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Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
Not the Crown I a used to seeing. I would love to hear from one of our resident Crown guru's what we are looking at.
Thanks in advance.
S.
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Iceni John recently posted some info on the Supercoach II here.
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06-26-2017, 11:35 PM
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#2549
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
Not the Crown I a used to seeing. I would love to hear from one of our resident Crown guru's what we are looking at.
Thanks in advance.
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The Super II had design input from MIT. Most of the work was done in the driver's compartment for ergonomics. Outside of the front and rear cap the bus is basically identical to the classic Supercoach.
Most of the Super II's were rear engine buses due in large part to the first batch were a special order "green" energy fueled bus. It used Detroit Diesel 6V-92's running on methanol. The specific buses are easily identifiable by a screened compartment on the street side in front of the rear axle. The screened compartment had a special cooler for the fuel so that it would be in a form that the engine could use.
Suffice it to say, the experiment didn't do much except waste a bunch of $$$$$.
All of those buses had the methanol tanks and associated plumbing removed and standard diesel tanks and plumbing installed.
I have found most people either hate or love the Super II. There are few people who fall in between.
Considering the fact the Supercoach was in continuous production with only some running production changes for more than 40 years says something about the original design.
I have always wondered why Crown didn't incorporate the ergonomic changes of the Super II into the Supercoach. The improved ergonomics would have made the driver's life a lot easier while still giving the purists the same look. I know Crown changed the basic dash area and driver's compartment several times over the years so the changes shouldn't have "offended" the purists.
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06-27-2017, 06:31 AM
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#2550
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,848
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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so is that one listed a methanol bus or is it a standard diesel? I like the look of that particular bus.. the single-sash windows are totally cool too.
-Christopher
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06-27-2017, 06:53 AM
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#2551
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 855
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: Cummins 8.3/Allison MD3060
Rated Cap: 84
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Originally Posted by cadillackid
so is that one listed a methanol bus or is it a standard diesel? I like the look of that particular bus.. the single-sash windows are totally cool too.
-Christopher
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I don't see the screen in front of the drives that he was talking about.
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06-27-2017, 10:36 AM
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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All of the methanol fueled buses were re-fueled a long time ago.
The methanol fuel just didn't work in a bus.
I don't think the experiment even lasted two years.
Among the problems is they had a couple of the buses burn to the ground. Fortunately no one was hurt. But methanol is VERY flammable, volatile, and somewhat unstable particularly when compared to diesel fuel.
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06-27-2017, 11:20 AM
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#2553
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,848
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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is methanol what they used to burn in race cars that was so dangerous - partly because you couldn t see the fire?
-Christopher
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06-27-2017, 12:01 PM
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#2554
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
is methanol what they used to burn in race cars that was so dangerous - partly because you couldn t see the fire?
-Christopher
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Yes!
When it gets warm enough it will flash combust. Which is why they had to build in fuel coolers. Not exactly the sort of fuel you want when transporting kids to and from school.
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06-27-2017, 12:06 PM
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#2555
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,848
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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I thought all alcohol needed cooled.. I had a fuel cooler in my hotrod monte carlo that I had built to run E-85. when I was going to the track i filled the canister with ice and water... when I was out on the street, I left water in it and the suction line from my A/C ran through the can so that kept the fuel cool..
-Christopher
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06-27-2017, 12:14 PM
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#2556
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 1,497
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: Bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 24v
Rated Cap: 72 pax
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I wouldn't want to run alcohol in any vehicle... It's a waste of perfectly good alcohol.
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06-27-2017, 01:01 PM
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#2557
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 938
Chassis: GMC or Chevrolet, I hope
Engine: gasser probably
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the more i learn, the less I know what to buy . . .
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06-27-2017, 10:54 PM
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#2558
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 855
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: Cummins 8.3/Allison MD3060
Rated Cap: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
is methanol what they used to burn in race cars that was so dangerous - partly because you couldn t see the fire?
-Christopher
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It's still widely used in racing. Some series mandate it as the only fuel which can be used.
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07-06-2017, 08:35 AM
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#2559
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/au...88&trackId=115
If this bus had AC and was closer, I'd buy it just for parts but I can't tow a bus. Currently $710... If someone would like to ship me the storage lockers that would be great.
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07-06-2017, 08:40 AM
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#2560
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 855
Year: 2002
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: Cummins 8.3/Allison MD3060
Rated Cap: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewerbob
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I'm interested in more info about the "Aleson 3 speed" transmission. I've never heard of that one before.
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