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01-13-2018, 04:20 PM
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#3261
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 938
Chassis: GMC or Chevrolet, I hope
Engine: gasser probably
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If you don't plan on doing repairs yourself and don't know about engines, does it really matter what you get???
In the end, the shop will charge what ever they want, and all you can do is walk away with the problem unsolved...
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the more i learn, the less I know what to buy . . .
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01-13-2018, 04:24 PM
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#3262
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
Cats aren't something to be afraid of. It's not a deal breaker is you're looking at a nice cat engine. That said, you know what an old POS engine looks like. I'm not a cat guy but a decent clean looking engine would carry a lot of weight in my book if I was in the market. Basically if you can do the mechanical work yourself, there's not a great difference other than slightly higher parts prices. Shop repairs are higher than other vehicles, but taken care of correctly they tend to last as long as a lot of other engines.
Honestly Cummins is not my favorite diesel, but it's common and easily serviced.
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Parts are a consideration.
So is the ability to perform the work without removing the engine.
It's not that any of them are inherently more reliable (VT365 excepted), but how much work has to be done IF they do break down or need a rebuild.
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01-13-2018, 05:46 PM
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#3263
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oricha1984
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Ok, I'll try. Maybe it will stay cheap, I've seen some nice stuff go CHEAP lately.
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01-13-2018, 06:56 PM
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#3264
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Wasn't someone looking for one of these about a year ago?
Auction #1994747 - Super Ten CDL TRuck Transmission
Condition: - Working when pulled out of a 1996 Freightliner FLD 120
https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/au...ew?auc=1994747
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Nobody's Business
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01-13-2018, 07:39 PM
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#3265
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,848
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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the VT365 can be good too if its well-cared-for.. people I know that have trucks they bought new with them are well into 3rd trip around the century mark.. but buying them used.. you have no idea if they were maintained properly. however there are **LOTS** of them out there on the reman used market so if you nblow one up you buy a long block, put it in and drive forever..
id do the same if I had major major repairs for a CAT as well. .. unless its in-frameable. then id rebuild it myself...
the only time any engine scares me is if I blow it up 700 miles from home...
-Christopher
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01-13-2018, 10:00 PM
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#3266
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Almost There
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 99
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01-13-2018, 10:20 PM
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#3267
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Perfect for conversion to tiny house or hippy school bus
Hey, we resemble that remark.
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Nobody's Business
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01-13-2018, 10:24 PM
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#3268
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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30 years old and "only" $8K
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01-14-2018, 03:00 AM
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#3269
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Frisco, Texas
Posts: 829
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e
Rated Cap: 71
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01-14-2018, 03:09 AM
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#3270
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Frisco, Texas
Posts: 829
Year: 1998
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: Dt466e
Rated Cap: 71
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01-14-2018, 06:59 AM
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#3271
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
the VT365 can be good too if its well-cared-for.. people I know that have trucks they bought new with them are well into 3rd trip around the century mark.. but buying them used.. you have no idea if they were maintained properly. however there are **LOTS** of them out there on the reman used market so if you nblow one up you buy a long block, put it in and drive forever..
id do the same if I had major major repairs for a CAT as well. .. unless its in-frameable. then id rebuild it myself...
the only time any engine scares me is if I blow it up 700 miles from home...
-Christopher
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Navistar employees call the VT a "real boat anchor".
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01-14-2018, 07:45 PM
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#3272
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,848
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
Navistar employees call the VT a "real boat anchor".
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they do because most people dont maintain them, (or any engine) correctly.. that engine is obviously very sensitive to oil and coolant maintenance.. 2 things that get forgotten the most.. esp coolant..
I do know of some that run long.. but they were boiught brand new and are single owner to this day.. telling skoolies here to avoid them is probably good advice.. though id still buy one if the right bus came along cheap enough..
just like my 444E, I can replace it wit ha completely all reman unit turbo to oil pan t owater pump.. bolt it up and go for well under 10K. if I were to blow mine up..
a LOT of an engines failure rate is how it was cared for in its first life..
just like your 466E, its obvious the schools botched the maintenance.. along with a somewhat known issue, spells trouble.. doesnt mean the 466E is bad motor.. its up there as one of the good ones.. the known issue doesnt plaugue them all.. but will shpw up in the slacker-maintained ones first..
there are plenty of cummins 5.9's out there that have never had their tappet cover leak or the dowel pin pop out.. yep they are known issues.. but in my opinion how they are treated has a lot to do with it.. esp the tappet cover leak.. bad oil - eats the seals.. the dowel pin is probably luck of the draw.. some will be tight enough to never move out.. others will..
some say the 8.3's have a timing cover cracking issue.. no RED-DOT had an issue with the A/C brackets (dual compressor) that caused it to crack.. since 8.3's were put in a lot of the busses that ran trips.. higher percentage were AC'd and therefore makes some people think it was a stay away from engine..
-Christopher
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01-14-2018, 07:45 PM
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#3273
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,848
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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wow! 8.3 in a conventional bus really seems to exist....
https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/c...445533379.html
-Christopher
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01-14-2018, 08:04 PM
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#3274
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Upstate, SC
Posts: 278
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
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There is potential to build a powerhouse Skoolie right there. I think it's priced about $2000 to high.
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01-14-2018, 08:11 PM
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#3275
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ben2go
There is potential to build a powerhouse Skoolie right there. I think it's priced about $2000 to high.
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That was the only downside I saw also.
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01-14-2018, 08:18 PM
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#3276
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Traveling
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,573
Year: 2003
Coachwork: BlueBird
Chassis: TC2000
Engine: 5.9L Cummins
Rated Cap: '00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ben2go
There is potential to build a powerhouse Skoolie right there. I think it's priced about $2000 to high.
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Pricing is based on supply....and demand.
I don't see too large of a supply of 6CTA conventional, therefore I think it is priced more than fair.
The School paid more for the bus when they ordered it with significant upgrade.
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01-14-2018, 08:34 PM
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#3277
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty
Pricing is based on supply....and demand.
I don't see too large of a supply of 6CTA conventional, therefore I think it is priced more than fair.
The School paid more for the bus when they ordered it with significant upgrade.
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My comment was based on my budget, not the value of the bus.
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01-15-2018, 01:13 AM
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#3278
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 27
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That is a 5.9. Look at valve cover.
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01-15-2018, 01:26 AM
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#3279
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trailer2
That is a 5.9. Look at valve cover.
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Intake snorkle on a 5.9 faces forward, 8.3 faces left. That's a left facing snorkel.
Already gutted and titled as an RV, that's a plus.
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01-15-2018, 01:31 AM
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#3280
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 27
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Intake direction makes no difference. 5.9 has 6 individual valve covers and 8.3 has one.
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