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04-24-2016, 09:37 PM
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#341
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
You know, most of us are already on bus overload with our own conversion. I wonder if there's a way we could help noobs find buses in their specific areas, say by zip code or something not to personal. We find buses where they are and hopefully a noob will pick up on them, by hit or miss. It just seems that a lot of people come here and they're really looking for help to get a nice bus the first time. Someone with an idea of how to make this work speak up.
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its tough unless someone wants to maintain a guide of sorts.. since busses arent for sale forever, someone coming along is likely to want to see busses for sale now.. maybe this thread gets started new each week.. people can go through old weeks if they want but wont be reading 100 pages of thread only to find 80% of the busses are sold already...
-Christopher
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04-24-2016, 10:08 PM
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#342
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Excellent point.
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04-28-2016, 03:00 AM
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#343
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Talkeetna, Alaska
Posts: 18
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04-28-2016, 07:26 AM
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#344
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Virginia
Posts: 548
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost
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I like on the Gilllig description it says "All windows operate", like that's a deal breaker for such an old bus.
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04-28-2016, 10:33 AM
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#345
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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The MASH bus was converted in the '70s. Cute, but how much shag carpet will have to be removed? Kind of a generous price considering it hasn't run for how long? Good tires that are probably timed out?
The Gillig looks nice but I wish they had bothered to take a couple interior shots.
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04-28-2016, 11:21 AM
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#346
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
The MASH bus was converted in the '70s. Cute, but how much shag carpet will have to be removed? Kind of a generous price considering it hasn't run for how long? Good tires that are probably timed out?
The Gillig looks nice but I wish they had bothered to take a couple interior shots.
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I see you've come around on the tire age issue. That's great.
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04-28-2016, 12:11 PM
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#347
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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That's exactly my point CB. As explained earlier I am the guy with the brand new set of Toyo's, and that was long before you ever brought up the issue of aging tires to me. You're preaching to the quire, but it's appreciated in the sense of safety.
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04-28-2016, 02:30 PM
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#348
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
I'm pretty sure I'll still be driving on these same tires in 10 or even 15 years, if not longer. When they need to be changed, by becoming unsafe, I'll change them.
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They time out in around eight-10 years.
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04-28-2016, 02:42 PM
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#349
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
They time out in around eight-10 years.
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time out purely by calendar?? or time out as in they may not have a lot of miles but have become unsafe by caracking, rotting, etc??
do you really throw a tire out because its just "old" or only when it shows signs of damage?
-Christopher
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04-28-2016, 02:47 PM
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#350
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Ok CB, I did hear you the first time. I do appreciate the information and your interest in my safety.
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04-28-2016, 03:14 PM
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#352
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by skoolie_n00bie
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that first one looks to be in good shape!
the second one was called mini-birds..
definitely was a school bus
-Christopher
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04-28-2016, 03:38 PM
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#353
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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In comparison, last October my '97 Bluebird TC1000 was $2,600 with 167K on it.
This first one appears to be basically the same as my current 26'r, but with the city bus setup and windows. I like white buses and that looks good from what I can see. It also looks like someone is trying to double their investment in the bus or maybe it's a dealer. I'd love to have it but that's too rich for my blood.
That second one; Can you imagine all the hours that went into detailing that paint job? That body style reminds me of Grumman vans, only with windows and seats. Something like that would make a good spare bedroom for when family visits, especially if it was free.
You're not finding anything on Public Surplus?
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04-28-2016, 03:53 PM
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#354
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 447
Year: 1988
Coachwork: Ward
Chassis: International
Engine: Navistar 5.9 Diesel
Rated Cap: A butt-load...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
that first one looks to be in good shape!
the second one was called mini-birds..
definitely was a school bus
-Christopher
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
In comparison, last October my '97 Bluebird TC1000 was $2,600 with 167K on it.
This first one appears to be basically the same as my current 26'r, but with the city bus setup and windows. I like white buses and that looks good from what I can see. It also looks like someone is trying to double their investment in the bus or maybe it's a dealer. I'd love to have it but that's too rich for my blood.
That second one; Can you imagine all the hours that went into detailing that paint job? That body style reminds me of Grumman vans, only with windows and seats. Something like that would make a good spare bedroom for when family visits, especially if it was free.
You're not finding anything on Public Surplus?
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The $$$ of the 1st one was what jumped at me, too...but i do like the style and color.
2nd bus..i'm starting to like that body style! i see these a lot in MDC, probably because roadways are too narrow for larger busses!
Nothing interested me on public surplus from FL...passing time viewing entries from other states...yearning to work on mine...
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04-28-2016, 03:54 PM
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#355
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
time out purely by calendar?? or time out as in they may not have a lot of miles but have become unsafe by caracking, rotting, etc??
do you really throw a tire out because its just "old" or only when it shows signs of damage?
-Christopher
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On something like a bus, the date codes on your tires become much more important than a car.
http://www.cbs46.com/story/27175273/...hool-bus-tires
adding weight to a bus doesn't help things any.
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04-28-2016, 07:27 PM
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#356
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
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the ionly reason I ask is because usually as a tire ages physical and visible signs will shoew that the tire is getting unsafe...
the steel belts arent goingto rust encased in rubber.. thoiugh they might if there are deep cracks in the tire and the belts show - visible aging..
my last bus the tires were old but showed no signs of cracking or dry rotting because IO kept them treated and the bus was stored indoors away from the harmful UV that often is the demise of rubber...
are you saying there was likely hidden non visible aging to my tire that caused it to be unsafe ? they were past their code but looked and drove like new...
-Christopher
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04-28-2016, 08:38 PM
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#357
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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If you're being inspected under the school bus rules, the requirements are considerably more stringent than the general public is used to. Generally speaking these truck tires are quite high quality and we sure aren't going to use them like a trucker would. The will very likely age out before we're even half way through them. It's a fact.
I have driven farm trucks with heavy loads on old cracked tires that were visibly way beyond their years of service. It was low speeds but hauling large loads. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't been there.
Point is if my tires are timed out and I still have 80% of the tread remaining and no apparent visible damage, I plan to continue using those tires. The tire shops are not shy about telling you when you need to get new tires, or when you can use them beyond the normal life if they are still in good condition. Perhaps I will get two new steer tires and continue running the older tires on the rear. I don't know yet. Check back in 8 years.
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04-28-2016, 08:42 PM
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#358
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: The Valley - Arizona
Posts: 644
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freight-shaker (Freightliner)
Engine: Cat 3126b 250 HP
Rated Cap: Only 1 seat
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
time out purely by calendar?? or time out as in they may not have a lot of miles but have become unsafe by caracking, rotting, etc??
do you really throw a tire out because its just "old" or only when it shows signs of damage?
-Christopher
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I believe commercial tires are replaced based on age and not wear. I mean, semi's get new ones every few years due to mileage. Are you going to put 300,000 miles on your bus in 8 years? I'd be lucky to get 150,000 and I drive across country 4 times a year.
Of course you did say you had a shortie, which your tires may be smaller than the ones on my hog. I have 11R 22.5's.
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04-28-2016, 09:01 PM
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#359
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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Please don't make me drive the tires off this bus.
I think I'd be lucky to get 30 or 40K on these, then I'll time out.
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04-30-2016, 04:44 AM
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#360
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Talkeetna, Alaska
Posts: 18
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