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06-11-2018, 06:25 PM
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#3901
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,833
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
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top one is a Superior S-series.. a rare bus!! they didnt make many of them.. if it didnt have missing windows and holes punched in the roof id have been all over that...
-Christopher
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06-11-2018, 08:52 PM
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#3902
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
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The first bus is an IHC/Loadstar with a Superior body. Most likely engine is an SV345 gas engine with a 5-speed manual. It is a lighter duty model with the 5-lug disc wheel. GVWR is probably about 20K.
No picture would worry me.
The last bus is a Ford E-450/Thomas bus. It is going to be heavy and not have a very large net payload capacity. GVWR is most likely 14,000 lbs. and the empty weight without seats is going to be over 11,000 lbs. and probably not too far from 12,000 lbs.
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06-14-2018, 01:38 AM
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#3904
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Pacific NW
Posts: 120
Coachwork: None yet
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kubla
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Our local school district is still running one of those tag axle Crowns. Cool old rig.
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06-14-2018, 03:09 AM
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#3905
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cycle61
Our local school district is still running one of those tag axle Crowns. Cool old rig.
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The vast majority of Crown tandems didn't have a tag axle. Almost all were tandem drive with a differential lock to make both the front and rear axle turn together. Without the diff lock you could end up with just one wheel spinning.
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06-14-2018, 03:21 AM
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#3906
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by magnakansas
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The 1980 Ford Blue Bird is going to be a slow gas hog. The Ford gas V-8's were all pokey unless you got the big ones and then they were really thirsty. The 331/361/391 got in the 5-7 MPG with an automatic. The 429 and 534 were in the 2-4 MPG range.
The 1987 gas mini that needs some work would be expensive if it were free. Notice the roof line--it is high over the center aisle but chopped down over the seats. A bus with a roof like that would have no room for any over the window cabinets. And raising a roof like that is a non-starter for so many reasons it isn't worth considering.
The 1975 Superior bus on a P-30 chassis might not be a bad deal as long as it runs okay. It will have all of the problems every other bus on a P-30 chassis has--too much bus for the truck underneath.
The 1990 Ford Wayne bus appears to have a Brazilian Ford diesel engine and most likely it has Girling brakes--a duo combination that is not the best.
The 2010 mini diesel bus has over 300K miles on it. That bus is going to be worn out with the body starting to have stress cracks and leaks from the seams. It will also need DEF to run. A bus with that many miles and perimeter seating is not going to be a big seller. The asking price is about 3x of what it is worth.
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06-14-2018, 12:15 PM
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#3907
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: SW New Hampshire
Posts: 1,334
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84 Crown WA state
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06-14-2018, 12:16 PM
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#3908
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Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Pacific NW
Posts: 120
Coachwork: None yet
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cowlitzcoach
The vast majority of Crown tandems didn't have a tag axle. Almost all were tandem drive with a differential lock to make both the front and rear axle turn together. Without the diff lock you could end up with just one wheel spinning.
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Terminology mistake on my part, thanks. Dual rear axles, I never looked underneath it to see if the second one was driven. I'll bet that makes for some fun maintenance and rolling efficiency.
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06-14-2018, 01:08 PM
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#3910
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dan-fox
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I'd be leery of anyone selling 4 different buses but use the same pics, what does the one I'm interested in actually look like? There was one listing where the guy took a pic of the back but held his hand up so you can't read the plate. I am still trying to figure out why people conceal the plate on their for sale vehicle. I can't legally get any info from his tag, so I don't understand that. If you're trying to keep the vehicle from getting stolen, what prevents me from calling you with interest and asking where can I see this? And then stealing it later?
To me, that's a $5k bus. You might talk them down from $15 to $10 and you'll still be paying too much.
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06-14-2018, 02:23 PM
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#3911
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dan-fox
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They seem to buy up as many AZ auctions as they can and then sell them for full retail. There's one or more of those dealers in almost every state.
LOL one lease payment covers what they have in the bus!
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06-14-2018, 03:36 PM
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#3912
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Seattle Area
Posts: 33
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: All American
Engine: Cummins 8.3
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I called and they're claiming that they're worth 30-35K due to the particulate filter. Hope that saves some time for others.
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06-14-2018, 07:54 PM
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#3913
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 1,001
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: International
Engine: TE 444
Rated Cap: 12
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06-15-2018, 08:51 PM
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#3914
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,259
Year: 2001
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: All American
Engine: 8.3 Cummins ISC
Rated Cap: 75
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kubla
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444E in a pusher? No thanks. There’s a reason why every bus dealer is sitting on them
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06-23-2018, 05:59 PM
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#3915
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Southwest Indiana
Posts: 25
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Activity bus
https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=1145&acctid=686
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06-23-2018, 07:24 PM
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#3916
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 42
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Hello WIBlueBird. Just curious about the issues with this engine in a pusher. I’m pretty new to all of this, and still sucking in as much info as I can, so I’d love to understand this.
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06-23-2018, 08:16 PM
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#3917
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Central Michigan
Posts: 30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kubla
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those miles are a deal breaker.
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06-26-2018, 10:28 AM
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#3918
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by INanMT-Bus
https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=1145&acctid=686
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Winning bid was $7500 
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06-26-2018, 11:35 AM
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#3919
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Southwest Indiana
Posts: 25
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That's a tad higher than I thought it would go for! Looked like an easy starting point for conversion, and there seemed to be quite a lot of interest. Thanks for the update.
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06-26-2018, 01:41 PM
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#3920
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Asheville, NC
Posts: 347
Year: 1999
Coachwork: American Cargo 14'L x 7'8"W x 7'H Box
Chassis: Ford E350 Cutaway
Engine: 7.3L Powerstroke
Rated Cap: 11500 lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WIbluebird
444E in a pusher? No thanks. There’s a reason why every bus dealer is sitting on them
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Care to elaborate?
Too little power? Cooling issues? Access?
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