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Old 04-03-2016, 09:56 AM   #231
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Dude thats not a nice bus. A GMC cat with low headroom.
These are everywhere for cheap. Its also got the weakest tranny available.

I just saw this "gem" on CL... LOL they want $1100!

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Old 04-03-2016, 09:59 AM   #232
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BGA want 4500 for this.


Their nice stuff is like 8-10 grand.

I hate that they're all over my LOCAL CL, but Dan Brown has a MUCH nicer inventory and charge like half what BGA charge.
Dan Brown will sell ya this for $300 more than that turd above that's been sitting on BGA's lot for a couple years.


I guess I really don't mind Dan Brown posting, hell I would if I were them. I just hope their prices are truly that much lower and stay that way.
brown has a lot of newer busses and their prices are lower.. however they charge double or triple for any work they do.. so if you are looking for something where you do everything to it, brown very well might be a better value... but if you want services performed as mentioned above.. BGA may end up being a better value...

I also pay attention to and read a lot on actualy fleet sites.. and when I see lots of low miles busses with VT365's in them.. it makes me wonder have the updates been applied to those busses or are they busses that a school system dumped so they didnt have to put the extra $3000 into fixing EGR / injector, etc issues.. or have some of those busses been run so long without the updates that they ran with a quart of diesel mixed in their oil due to failures.. no way to know.. but a cheap price isnt everything...

its all about doing your research... brown does get in some really nice busses at some good prices.. i have no issues with them as they are a dealer like any other.. an informed buyer will get the best value...

I personally Like Ohio Busses fresh out of school service because ohio is a Bastard when it comes to insoections and requirements.. if the DOT sticker on a bus is pretty current from ohio.. that bus probably runs pretty good... of course not All.. but in general..

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Old 04-03-2016, 10:10 AM   #233
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Dude thats not a nice bus. A GMC cat with low headroom.
These are everywhere for cheap. Its also got the weakest tranny available.

I just saw this "gem" on CL... LOL they want $1100!

lol i guess definition of "nice" is different to many people.. that Bird runs well and doesnt have a lot of rot.. I guess headroom is an issue for making a camper.. again everyone is looking for something different...

im sure people will tell me getting a short bus with a DT360 and a 545 is a turd too... I happen to like the mechanical diesel and on a 360 the 545 isnt overloaded.. then again I bought my bus partly for use but also for nostalgia.. I love old classics.. im not adding a ton of weight to it in a full conversion.. i dont need to drive 75 on the highway... I like the old metal dashboards and old style switches... I rode a bus much like mine to school...

Yes i couldve gone to brown and bought a 10 year old CE-200 I-Bus and performed the updates to the VT365 or DT466E , and ended up with a nice newer bus that would run 75 MPH on the highway for only a few grand more than I payed.. but it doesnt fit what I was looking for in the end...

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Old 04-03-2016, 10:24 AM   #234
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I'm a HUGE fan of the DT360... And look at my bus I LOVE mechanical drivetrains. I paid $2150 and after a free trip to the tag office and a $100 rustoleum job, I guess its "worth" about ten grand or so!
Just not a fan of paying triple prices, but enough I've said my peace. Happy Sunday, and enjoy your bus sir!
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Old 04-03-2016, 10:25 AM   #235
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FWIW if anyone crazy out there actually WANTS the rusty International heap, I know where theres a much nicer one for free. For real.
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Old 04-03-2016, 12:03 PM   #236
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I'm a HUGE fan of the DT360... And look at my bus I LOVE mechanical drivetrains. I paid $2150 and after a free trip to the tag office and a $100 rustoleum job, I guess its "worth" about ten grand or so!
Just not a fan of paying triple prices, but enough I've said my peace. Happy Sunday, and enjoy your bus sir!

i think threads like these are great because it helps to educate people that come to this site... show people resources andlet them know what the high points and low points of various dealers, busses, and services are...

to your point, was I not looking to have a lot of work done professionally? I most certainly wouldve likely gone elsewhere for a bus..

i'm probably having much more service work done than the average member here...

someone like yourself that is doing ALL of your own work.. I would indeed say stay clear of most dealers...

someone who knows how and has the time to scour the liquidators can very much get a great bus for MUCH cheaper than any dealer out there...

anyone reading this thread should EDUCATE themselves and take their time looking for the right bus that fits their Needs, AND ALSO their Abilities, and Budget...

Dont buy a bus with an electronic drivetrain if you have no clue how that stuff works.. Dont buy a bus with rotted out front steps and floors if you cant weld... dont buy a bus with short ceilings if you are 6 ' 2 and cant do a roof-raise... ie stuff like that...

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Old 04-03-2016, 02:14 PM   #237
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brown has a lot of newer busses and their prices are lower.. however they charge double or triple for any work they do.. so if you are looking for something where you do everything to it, brown very well might be a better value... but if you want services performed as mentioned above.. BGA may end up being a better value...

its all about doing your research... brown does get in some really nice busses at some good prices.. i have no issues with them as they are a dealer like any other.. an informed buyer will get the best value...
I'm guessing Brown's prices for extra work such as painting and fab work are higher for several reason:
1. They most likely subcontract the work out to shops that do the specific work where BGA has staff that performs it. This keeps the labor costs much lower.
2. NY is a union state, so union wages may very well factor into the labor costs vs. cheaper labor costs in FL.
3. They just may not prefer to do the work so they quote high and if you still want to pay then they'll have someone do it and make an added profit on top of the bus sale. We use machine shops that do this....they'll quote a bid unrealistically because for whatever reason they don't want the work, but if you accept the quote they'll be more than happy to make a huge profit.

Overall, it's as everyone has said: depends on your skill set and checkbook. All that matters is your satisfaction in the end!
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Old 04-03-2016, 02:33 PM   #238
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i think threads like these are great because it helps to educate people that come to this site... show people resources andlet them know what the high points and low points of various dealers, busses, and services are...

to your point, was I not looking to have a lot of work done professionally? I most certainly wouldve likely gone elsewhere for a bus..

i'm probably having much more service work done than the average member here...

someone like yourself that is doing ALL of your own work.. I would indeed say stay clear of most dealers...

someone who knows how and has the time to scour the liquidators can very much get a great bus for MUCH cheaper than any dealer out there...

anyone reading this thread should EDUCATE themselves and take their time looking for the right bus that fits their Needs, AND ALSO their Abilities, and Budget...

Dont buy a bus with an electronic drivetrain if you have no clue how that stuff works.. Dont buy a bus with rotted out front steps and floors if you cant weld... dont buy a bus with short ceilings if you are 6 ' 2 and cant do a roof-raise... ie stuff like that...

-Christopher
I agree on the first part, but ANYONE CAN do this stuff.

Can't weld? RIVET! Or use bolts.
I'm glad you feel that way about this conversation. I feel the same way, and am glad to have civilized back and forth exchanges with folks.

I wish more folks lurked and figured more out before buying.
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Old 04-03-2016, 02:51 PM   #239
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To keep the thread on topic, here's a 2000 Freightliner FS65 school bus with a Bluebird body. Also has the 5.9 Cummins ISB. 136K miles, asking $3900

I work for the company selling this bus, although this particular bus is from a different terminal than mine.


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Old 04-03-2016, 10:03 PM   #240
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To keep the thread on topic, here's a 2000 Freightliner FS65 school bus with a Bluebird body. Also has the 5.9 Cummins ISB. 136K miles, asking $3900

I work for the company selling this bus, although this particular bus is from a different terminal than mine.


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Nice looking bus! Do you know why it was repainted? Accident damage maybe?
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