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03-23-2017, 08:18 AM
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#1921
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
Well whenever you do get your bus we ought to all get together to drink, smoke, and discuss buses and tell tales of adventure and ribaldry.
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As long as the bus itself isn't the ticket to get in, I'm all for that idea now. After I have a bus, there will be no stopping me!!!
Speaking of, I saw a flat nose "shortie" (by my standards not yours) at a gas station yesterday. All the school related stuff was spray painted over. I almost turned around 2 or 3 times to go chat them up. I want as long of a bus as I can get but the shortie flat noses are really growing on me fast. Anyone know how short a flat nose gets? The ones I've been seeing are 8 or 9 tops tops.
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03-23-2017, 08:22 AM
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#1922
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,830
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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the shortest flat nose ive seen was 8 passenger windows...
it was a Thomas..
-Christopher
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03-23-2017, 08:25 AM
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#1923
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Originally Posted by Kubla
Engine: 636 cu in (10.4 L) Caterpillar 1160/3208 V8
Transmission: Unknown, but was originally manual and the County converted it to automatic
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This part is kinda scary.
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03-23-2017, 08:27 AM
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#1924
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Originally Posted by PNW_Steve
I am aware of max overall length regulations and max weight per axle regulations but I have never heard of max allowed weight based upon number of axles.
Can you point us to where that regulation exists? I would like to learn more about it.
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I didn't see any mention of that but I only spent 15 minutes with most of the sites blocked.
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03-23-2017, 08:34 AM
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#1925
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
That's the spirit, man.
If the prices go up, just focus on your favorite.
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That's the plan.
Those WA look pretty sweet. They may be complete garage and someone spent 15 minutes with a pressure washer but those engines look SPOTLESS!!! Videos sounded good and there was no wobble of the pulleys... not that you can tell much from a video. One was running at high idle (???) and the other wasn't but I assume one was colder than the other? Oil pressure was up on the high idle one but for cars that's normal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Njsurf73
If you win all 3, maybe you could keep your favorite and offer the others up here (for sale).
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Sell the WV bus to one of those damn exporters in FL and it would cover the cost of all three. I already warned the gf that we may end up with matching his and her buses. 
Seriously tho, selling even the WV bus on here at cost would pay for both the WA buses. I don't expect them to stay that low tho.
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03-23-2017, 08:36 AM
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#1926
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Essex, MD
Posts: 3,738
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: Blue Bird TC RE 3904, Flat Nose, 40', 277" wh base
Engine: 8.3L Cummins ISC 260hp, MT643, 4.44 rear
Rated Cap: 84 pax or 1 RV; 33,000lbs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
the shortest flat nose ive seen was 8 passenger windows...
it was a Thomas..
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I'll have to go back thru my emails and see who I was talking to from BB, Thomas, and International and send them the question.
Is there a rule of thumb for dog noses vs flat; DN 5 row = FN 7 row in length? Fill in the blanks with the actual numbers.
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03-23-2017, 09:23 AM
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#1927
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: MD
Posts: 4
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Hey Brewerbob! I am in Edgewood, MD and actively shopping for busses too! Which auctions are you focusing on/have your heart set on? I want to make sure I don't drive up any of your bids. Of course my budget is a lot lower than yours. I can only realistically go to 3K so I have funds to start working on it right away! Anyway, very excited to see someone very close getting ready to take on the same venture! good luck bidding!
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03-23-2017, 10:48 PM
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#1928
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Clearlake, Northern California
Posts: 2,511
Year: 1992
Coachwork: Blue Bird
Chassis: TC-2000 Frt Eng, Tranny:MT643
Engine: 5,9 Cummins
Rated Cap: 84
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Just south of San Francisco. Lien sale, so... but it is a BB All American. And with such a tall doghouse, it could possibly have the Cummins 8.3 engine.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/rvs/6050722957.html
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So far as I know... RVs and buses are now allowed to be 45 feet long. However... as soon as it is over 40, the driver must have a higher Driver License.
This is California info, but there is pretty good standardization nationwide these days. Of course, always double check.
45' Buses & Motorhomes
45' Motorhomes
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03-24-2017, 01:10 AM
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#1929
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Willamina, Oregon
Posts: 6,409
Coachwork: 97 Bluebird TC1000 5.9
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The 8.3 is that much taller than the 5.9?
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Robin
Nobody's Business
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03-24-2017, 01:38 AM
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#1930
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Winlcok, WA
Posts: 2,233
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin97396
The 8.3 is that much taller than the 5.9?
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No and I seriously doubt it has a Cummins under the hood unless it was the Cummins 555.
That vintage was almost exclusively Cat 3208, 3208T, or 3208TA powered.
The buses with the turbo required the higher dog house since the turbo was in the valley at the rear of the engine. The plumbing to power the exhaust, suck and blow the intake air, and route the exhaust to the back of the bus took up a LOT of space under the dog house.
It was less expensive to make all of the dog houses the same rather than to have multiple sizes to fit different engines. So they all got the dog house that was big enough to clear the tallest engine.
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03-24-2017, 05:49 AM
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#1931
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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03-24-2017, 06:52 AM
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#1932
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Mini-Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
Posts: 49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
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Wonder how high that reserve is! [emoji51]
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03-24-2017, 07:07 AM
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#1933
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danielramirez546
Wonder how high that reserve is! [emoji51]
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idk but often the high bidder can purchase it if the reserve isn't met.
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03-24-2017, 07:23 AM
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#1934
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,830
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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theres a forum member here from ravenna ohio where that is... cant remember their name .. real clean for an ohio Bus..
-Christopher
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03-24-2017, 07:27 AM
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#1935
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
theres a forum member here from ravenna ohio where that is... cant remember their name .. real clean for an ohio Bus..
-Christopher
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Yeah if it were a shorty I'd be tempted to buy n flip that one.
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03-24-2017, 08:32 AM
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#1936
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,830
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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the reserve is probably high... if that doesnt end up at BGA i'll be surprised... theyll buy it for 6 and sell it for 17k.. looks brand new someone in FL would pay big $$ for it..
on another note.. pinellas county has some brand new Bluebird conventional.. GASSERs... was wierd to hear a gasoline school bus again in the wild..
-Christopher
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03-24-2017, 08:38 AM
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#1937
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
the reserve is probably high... if that doesnt end up at BGA i'll be surprised... theyll buy it for 6 and sell it for 17k.. looks brand new someone in FL would pay big $$ for it..
on another note.. pinellas county has some brand new Bluebird conventional.. GASSERs... was wierd to hear a gasoline school bus again in the wild..
-Christopher
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Not surprising, modern diesel engines are nightmares. They probably save tens of thousands on maintenance and repairs.
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03-24-2017, 08:52 AM
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#1938
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,830
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
Not surprising, modern diesel engines are nightmares. They probably save tens of thousands on maintenance and repairs.
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and gives us skoolies hope for the future of non DEF busses
-Christopher
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03-24-2017, 09:49 AM
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#1939
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: MD
Posts: 4
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03-24-2017, 11:38 AM
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#1940
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,830
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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some gassers in here that are currently bidding CHEAP
https://www.onlinepros.com/servlet/S...?auctionId=970
-Christopher
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