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02-26-2019, 04:58 PM
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#21
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2014
Location: West Ohio
Posts: 3,678
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 1753
Engine: 6.9 International
Rated Cap: 65
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
I can guarantee you that bus has more than 27k miles on it. Usually the speedos have issues in just about every bus and most have had their speedos replaced during their lifetime. No one needs to tell me what engine is in, the pictures clearly show a 5.9, and with that shifter, probably a 545. I wouldn't go near that bus for the asking price. IMHO that's a $3K bus, max.
This should clear up the engine question:
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And your post clearly shows that you're wrong.
The push button shifter is definitely not an at545. It's one of the world series trannies 3000 series or bigger.
That is also an 8.3. You can tell by the intake manifold. As well as the esn printed on the valve cover coming back to an 260hp ISC, which matches the esn printed on the chassis plate.
The trans is a md3060 based off the serial number listed on the chassis plate being 6510300680.
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02-26-2019, 05:03 PM
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#22
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
1500 miles a year transporting prisoners doesn't really sound too unreasonable. It probably only got used occasionally. Its rare a bus is for sale for such a high amount of money and I call it a bargain but this is one, imo.
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Chances are everything that makes it a prison bus will be removed, so you basically have an 01 BB, 5.9/3060 shell to start without worth the asking price, even if the miles are correct.
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02-26-2019, 05:04 PM
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#23
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
No? I have been looking into 8.3 cummins to upgrade my 8.2 pincher and all I get/see is v-blocks?
Is the 8.3 a v-block?
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No man its an inline 6 cylinder engine.
wikipedia-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins_C_Series_engine
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The Cummins ISC is a straight-six diesel engine with a displacement of 8.3 litres (506.5 cu in). Cummins began producing the engines in 1998. The engine was based on its predecessor, the Cummins C 8.3-litre engine originally introduced in 1985 as the 6C8.3 (this was co-designed with the Case Corporation, along with the smaller 6B5.9). The first electronic version, known as the C8.3E and designed for the urban bus market exclusively, went into production in late 1996.
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02-26-2019, 05:04 PM
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#24
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,973
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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I have no problem with extending everything fo a straight 6 but everything I have found on the 8.3 it is a v-block but I just assumed 8-cylinders?
Used 10,000$ for motor and 4-5 grand for a used 3060 tranny?
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02-26-2019, 05:04 PM
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#25
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
Chances are everything that makes it a prison bus will be removed, so you basically have an 01 BB, 5.9/3060 shell to start without worth the asking price, even if the miles are correct.
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Pretty sure its being sold as pictured marc. its listed for sale, not auction.
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02-26-2019, 05:05 PM
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#26
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
I have no problem with extending everything fo a straight 6 but everything I have found on the 8.3 it is a v-block but I just assumed 8-cylinders?
Used 10,000$ for motor and 4-5 grand for a used 3060 tranny?
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WHy buy a used engine for ten grand? Buy a whole running bus for less than half that and just take what you need/want.
Heck here's an engine, trans, and tires for less than ten grand.
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02-26-2019, 05:08 PM
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#27
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Booyah45828
And your post clearly shows that you're wrong.
The push button shifter is definitely not an at545. It's one of the world series trannies 3000 series or bigger.
That is also an 8.3. You can tell by the intake manifold. As well as the esn printed on the valve cover coming back to an 260hp ISC, which matches the esn printed on the chassis plate.
The trans is a md3060 based off the serial number listed on the chassis plate being 6510300680.
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And I clearly admitted I was wrong, but feel free to remind me.
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02-26-2019, 05:09 PM
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#28
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Booyah45828
And your post clearly shows that you're wrong.
The push button shifter is definitely not an at545. It's one of the world series trannies 3000 series or bigger.
That is also an 8.3. You can tell by the intake manifold. As well as the esn printed on the valve cover coming back to an 260hp ISC, which matches the esn printed on the chassis plate.
The trans is a md3060 based off the serial number listed on the chassis plate being 6510300680.
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The VIN is also showing it to be an 8.3.
This is almost a new bus and its maybe $1500 more than similar school buses run up to in the auctions lately. I'm surprised its still for sale.
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02-26-2019, 05:10 PM
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#29
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EastCoastCB
Pretty sure its being sold as pictured marc. its listed for sale, not auction.
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I'm saying that everything will be removed by the purchaser. So everything that makes it a prison bus will be gone, and then it's just another bus. Would lower miles, correct tranny, and big motor make it worth more, sure. But $9K?
But then again some people have more disposable money than I do, or care to spend.
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02-26-2019, 05:14 PM
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#30
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
I'm saying that everything will be removed by the purchaser. So everything that makes it a prison bus will be gone, and then it's just another bus. Would lower miles, correct tranny, and big motor make it worth more, sure. But $9K?
But then again some people have more disposable money than I do, or care to spend.
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Oh, totally agreed. I'm not normally too jazzed about prison buses. But this is a rare opportunity for someone to get what appears to be as close to a new 2001 Bluebird as feasable. I've seen clapped out yellow buses with 300k for sale for more money than this, and this one's even in FL. Just go to BGA's site and you'll see what a bargain this is for a FL bus, regardless of mileage and condition.
They're asking $8250. I'll bet whoever shows up with $7500 cash gets this low mile 8.3 with OD. And they won't even have yellow paint peaking out from every crevice.
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02-26-2019, 05:21 PM
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#31
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: south east BC, close to the Canadian/US border
Posts: 2,265
Year: 1975
Coachwork: Chevy
Chassis: 8 window
Engine: 454 LS7
Rated Cap: 24,500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
I'm saying that everything will be removed by the purchaser. So everything that makes it a prison bus will be gone, and then it's just another bus. Would lower miles, correct tranny, and big motor make it worth more, sure. But $9K?
But then again some people have more disposable money than I do, or care to spend.
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not only the motor and tranny have less miles, but the rear end and drive train, body, bearings, hoses, brakes, front end, springs, bushings, wiring, lights - etc etc have less mileage, the body less rattles, less leaks, less wear and tear everywhere - I've seen prison buses on line, decent price, decent motors, but too far away to think about looking at it - other than police/guard electronics/radios, nothing had been removed
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02-26-2019, 05:26 PM
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#32
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,973
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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Sorry we were typing at the same time.
I know and can work on almost anything case?
Thanks for the info!
What I get is different?
Still trying to stay with an all mechanical changeout???
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02-26-2019, 05:31 PM
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#33
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
Sorry we were typing at the same time.
I know and can work on almost anything case?
Thanks for the info!
What I get is different?
Still trying to stay with an all mechanical changeout???
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The previous generation was mechanical but was always an inline engine.
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02-26-2019, 05:32 PM
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#34
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,973
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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I guess the magic,thought,experience,opinion time for everyone is 1800?
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02-26-2019, 05:35 PM
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#35
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2014
Location: West Ohio
Posts: 3,678
Year: 1984
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International 1753
Engine: 6.9 International
Rated Cap: 65
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
Sorry we were typing at the same time.
I know and can work on almost anything case?
Thanks for the info!
What I get is different?
Still trying to stay with an all mechanical changeout???
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You can get an all mechanical 8.3 Cummins. Search "Cummins 6ct". That's the mechanical version. No promises that it will fit in place of an 8.2. but I wouldn't fear an electronic Cummins. And at this price and mileage, a person searching would be dumb not to consider it. Jmo but the engine/trans as a good running takeout would be worth around 10k.
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02-26-2019, 06:37 PM
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#36
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
I guess the magic,thought,experience,opinion time for everyone is 1800?
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Maybe its my cannabis meds, maybe its your pirate speak- but I'm lost! lol
What you mean?
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02-26-2019, 08:42 PM
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#37
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: US nomadic
Posts: 556
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Lewis
Chassis: Ford E350
Engine: 7.3L Diesel
Rated Cap: 14
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I don't know anything about this bus. it looks awesome. But I would caution you against assuming prison bus equals low mileage. If it was genuinely used specifically by a prison, this could be true. But most buses this size that are used within the corrections system are being used by jails. An entirely different situation. A jail bus transports a full load of prisoners, often from several different jails located far apart, to several different courthouses Monday through Friday every week of the year. Sometimes twice in one day, to different court sessions. People in prison don't need to be transported that often, but people in jail go to court all the time because many of them are being held while awaiting arraignment or trial. So it depends on where this bus served, that is, what part of the country AND what sort of facility used it.
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02-26-2019, 09:02 PM
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#38
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Pasadena Tx
Posts: 150
Coachwork: 1991 bluebird
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WOW!!!! 2 motors in that baby!!! Getting them criminals to jail DAMN FAST!!!!
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02-26-2019, 09:13 PM
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#39
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Pasadena Tx
Posts: 150
Coachwork: 1991 bluebird
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OWNER = DEKALB CO. SHERIFF
ORIGINAL CUSTOMER = NATIONAL BUS SALES & LEASING, INC.
DEALER = BP0003366 - NATIONAL BUS SALES & LEASING, INC.
STATE OF OPERATION = GA
MAKE = CUMN
MODEL = A3 FE 5600
MODEL YEAR = 2001
VIN = 1BABNCXA11F201313
BUILD DATE = 06/14/2001
DELIVERY DATE = 06/14/2001
WARRANTY START DATE = 06/21/2001
Unit Details
Reference
Unit Details
Wiring Schematics
BODY NO. F131654 CHASSIS NO. F201313
MODEL = A3 FE 5600 MODEL-CODE =
VECH-CLAS = NON SCHOOL BUS
HEADROOM = 74 W/S-STYLE = 2CF
SKIRT = 16 STATE = GA
BODY PLAN = SEAT PLAN =
BODY SCHEDULE 105 CHAS SCHEDULE 103
LENGTH = 5600 NBR BODIES = 1
VIN = 1BABNCXA11F201313 ENG MODEL = DT-466
STEP = 24 HGT =
GVWR/FT = GVWR/RR =
FACTORY SVC NO. = FA3FE10036430
PICKUP DATE = 06/25/01 P/O NUMBER =
MAKE = CUMN PRINT DATE = 12/20/00
BRAKE TYPE = AIR WHEELBASE = 232.0
COWL-AXLE = TIRESIZE =
GVWR/TOT = MODEL YEAR = 2001
CHAS FACTORY SVC NO. = FA3FE30076830
ENGINE SERIAL NO: 46065022
ENGINE ECM SERIAL NO / FORD CALIBRATION:
TRANSMISSION SERIAL NO: 6510300680
TRANSMISSION TCM / FORD PCM SERIAL NO:
DPF SERIAL NO / PROPANE CATALYST NO:
SCR SERIAL NO:
DEF MULTIFUNCTION HEAD SERIAL NO:
LIFT SERIAL NO:
VCU SERIAL NO:
FRONT AXLE SERIAL NO: HL00366032-001
REAR AXLE SERIAL NO: HL00364634-001
REAR AXLE: AXLE, REAR, 23000 LB 5.38 RATIO
IGNITION KEY:
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02-26-2019, 09:58 PM
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#40
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,356
Year: 1993
Coachwork: bluebird
Engine: 5.9 Cummins, Allison AT1545
Rated Cap: 2
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why the interest in something with a 5.38 rear?
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