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Old 10-08-2007, 06:21 PM   #11
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Re: private school needing bus

I can't emphasize enough the importance of you contacting the State Patrol, your insurance company, and more than likely your school's lawyer. Pupil transportation is NOT something to be taken lightly. I'm not sure where the line is drawn between what is a "school" and what isn't. I DO know that parochial schools (which are also non-profit and private) must follow the exact same laws pertaining to transportation as the public schools do. Indeed, the laws pertaining to school buses simply say "school," not public school, private school, etc. But I am no lawyer....

All of this is going to be important irregardless of the model year of the bus. I might suggest doing your legwork and THEN coming back here when you know for sure that what you want to do is practical.



Just an example....

169.449 SCHOOL BUS OPERATION.
Subdivision 1. Rules. The commissioner of public safety shall adopt rules governing the
operation of school buses used for transportation of school children, when owned or operated by
a school or privately owned and operated under a contract with a school
, and these rules must
be made a part of that contract by reference. Each school, its officers and employees, and each
person employed under the contract is subject to these rules.
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:54 PM   #12
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Re: private school needing bus

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You know what, how dare you come into a site where I was only asking for help and friendly advise to get a good project off the ground.
How dare I. You got that right. I dare. What I wrote in my original post was honest and sincere. You are going to spend tons of money and I still wouldn't let my daughter ride on it. It might not have been the answer you were looking for, but it was the truth in my opinion. Nothing nasty.


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Thank you for your input, but I don't think you quite thought about what you said from all sides, but if you feel more comfortable putting your child on a bus inspected only twice a year instead of everyday by a loving owner, by all means, go right ahead.
I'm the one who hasn't looked at this from all sides. Yes, you are right. I didn't look at this through the eyes of a twelve year old. What side do you want me to look at. How about, "Gee, we're low income and they make us ride in this crappy old bus while the other kids get newer busses. If they only would have used some of that money from fixing up this crappy old bus, we might be riding a bus that's only 10 years old and a hundred times safer".


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Not that I should have to justify myself to you, but we are a non-profit Montessori school trying to make ourselves available for low income families, and you know nothing about it, so to try to make me feel like a horrible person with your all out attacks is a terrible thing to do.

You don't have justify yourself to anyone, certainly not me(I am a nobody), unless you are asking for something, like a bus be donated. If you are trying to help low income families and your school is a non-profit (whatever tax b.s. that is), give them an education. Spend your money there. Don't show them how foolish you can be with money that's not yours. Unless you actually earned that money you are spending, you have a moral obligation to SPEND IT WISELY!


How do I say this without making it sound nasty. My daughter has gone to private school since Pre-K. She is now a senior at UC San Diego. I have paid through the nose for her education. If the someone in the school would have come up with an idea like the one suggested, I would have strongly discouraged it. If they replied the way that you did, my kid would have been out of that school. Her school actually did ask me to provide transportation to and from school for some of the kids. I have a transportation comany. My reply was thank you for asking, but no thank you. I don't want to be in the school bus business.


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To suggest I not have children! You do not even know me, sir, and I would like to keep it that way!You should really be ashamed of yourself.
Yes, I am ashamed of myself.

And after all of this, you still insist of going through with your foolish project, start here and read it from cover to cover. School bus section starts on page 16 of 168. Know the book front to back. It doesn't make a differnece if you made a deal with the devil, if it is not within the law, "it don't mean nothin!" as far as the cops are concerned.



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Old 10-08-2007, 08:46 PM   #13
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Re: private school needing bus

I probably should have just checked my Minnesota CDL manual rather than try and navigate the statutes online....


Definitions
"School bus" means: a motor vehicle used to transport pupils (grades K-12) to or from a school or to or from school-related activities, by the school or a school district, or by someone under an agreement with the school or a school district. A school bus does not include:

A motor vehicle transporting children to or from school for which parents or guardians receive direct
compensation from a school district.
A motor coach operating under charter carrier authority.
A transit bus.
A vehicle otherwise qualifying as a type III vehicle when the it is properly registered and insured and being driven by an employee or agent of a school district for nonscheduled transportation.

Unfortunately for you all signs still seem to point towards needed this thing to be a full fledged inspection passing bus with endorsement carrying and commercially licensed driver.
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:03 PM   #14
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To Jennifer,

I apologize for my nastiness. I will not try to justify why I wrote what I wrote. Let's just leave it at that.

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Old 10-09-2007, 07:32 PM   #15
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crazy cal is right. he may have been a little blunt about it, but, he is right nonetheless.

a school bus is an appliance. newer, safer, more comfy buses, are basically thrown away by school systems when they are barely broken in. Buying one of these for pennies on the dollar makes alot of economic sense.

buying an old classic makes absolutely no sense to anyone with even the slightest bit of mechanical sense. Even after you spend a HUGE amount of money bringing one back to mint condition, you will have something that might look pretty, but, as an appliance, it does a really shitty job.

leave the classic bus/car/motorcycle/boat restorations to folks with lots of throw away income and spare time.

if you truely want to help poor kids, bless you. Just don't use this noble cause as a reason to fullfill an old bus restoration dream.

i assume you haven't had to work on an old vehicle. many of us here have and let me tell you, working on a 20 year old dodge pickup can be a pita. i can only guess what a pain a much larger 2X as old bus would be.

bail out on this idea before you waste anymore time on it.

good luck with the school and the 10 year old bus you end up buying.
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Old 10-09-2007, 08:24 PM   #16
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Re: private school needing bus

i'd like to appologize for some of the posts from my fellow skoolie.net members. I don't know what happened. This is usually a very friendly place with friendly answers.

in my opinion a 20 year old school bus is probably 10 times safer than a passenger car or a heaven forbid one of those 19 passenger vans.

i'm sorry you were attacked for asking a question and presenting your idea.

i also agree that you should prob talk to the state highway patrol, and the school lawyer. Even if you have to follow a bunch of official bus rules i'm sure it's not an impossible task. Where there is a will there is a way

good luck

let us know how things turn out
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:19 PM   #17
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i'd like to appologize for some of the posts from my fellow skoolie.net members. I don't know what happened. This is usually a very friendly place with friendly answers.

in my opinion a 20 year old school bus is probably 10 times safer than a passenger car or a heaven forbid one of those 19 passenger vans.

i'm sorry you were attacked for asking a question and presenting your idea.

i also agree that you should prob talk to the state highway patrol, and the school lawyer. Even if you have to follow a bunch of official bus rules i'm sure it's not an impossible task. Where there is a will there is a way

good luck

let us know how things turn out
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Old 10-10-2007, 10:59 AM   #18
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Thanks for your suggestion, and I see your point. The main reason I wanted a classic is because the whole theme of the school is "make history come alive." Our school building is being built like the "old red schoolhouse," with a belltower, wood floors, etc. With all these things, though, we've had to make ajustments to modern days, like our heat will have to be radiant floor heat, otherwise wood floor would get mighty chilly. So is there a way we can use the look of an old bus to continue the historic aspect? My dad had classic cars growing up, and my husband is a car nut, so I do know the work it involves. Like if I had all the money in the world, we could replace the old parts with all new? I don't know - help me guys.
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Re: private school needing bus

I have seen people pull the body off a bus and put it on a newer chassis. However this would be a lot of work and I am not sure what you would really gain.

Take a look at this link, then click on Chassis at the bottom of the page to see what is involved.

http://showcase.netins.net/web/phantomgas/bus.html

I also think that if you wanted the vintage international front end like my bus you can fit it on in place of the newer international hoods. That would give the front end a vintage look but retain the modern passenger area and chassis.
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Old 10-10-2007, 01:08 PM   #20
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Thanks guys. Okay, so I have found this bus, I think it's beautiful.It's a 1956 Chevy. The style is perfect, body is sound according to owner, and ran well a couple of years ago, but he has since gotten to busy to go to the shows and meets with it like he used to, so it's just been sitting. What would I be getting myself into with something like this?
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