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Old 06-12-2015, 10:55 PM   #11
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If you look closely you will see that it isn't just a speed-o-graph but it also has a tach for a tach-o-graph.

Most of those combined units were made by VDO or other European brands.

The most common in the US for years was the Wagner Electric Sangamo Speed-O-Graph.

As far as speedometers are concerned, they were calibrated to be 100% accurate when the tires were worn off to 50%.

There were many truckers and bus drivers that were able to beat a speeding ticket by presenting to the court a copy of their chart.

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Old 06-14-2015, 07:43 AM   #12
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It's possible that the speedometer cable was disconnected from the dial on the dash to connect the tach-o-graph. Years ago I'd seen buses in school fleets with tape hiding the dial in the dash. That was before electric speedometers.

It's entirely possible that the true mileage is the SUM of the two odometer readings.
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Old 06-18-2015, 03:37 AM   #13
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That sure is cool.

Thanks for providing something new and interesting to Google.

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Keeping it simple the II has nearly 300K a 6V92

And yes those Gillig Phantoms are Monsters............also with the 6V92T and an MT transmission and air shift.

They were last certified in the Spring and are fired up every couple weeks................that's a lot of Bus right there: With that engine I'd have to say it's a cut above your average schoolie...............but of course I don't think it's possible to construct a bus more brick like than a Gillig Phantom.............I'm thinking these won't fetch that much money............it's another west coast thing and less touted than the Crown. But these, from what I've heard, are some pretty hardy buses. At 30 feet I'd be all over one for sure................at 40 feet............zero interes
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Old 06-18-2015, 03:34 PM   #14
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I was looking at the gilllig, the issue is they are built close to the ground and have no storage compartments installed underneath. That and I wonder what the fuel milage is on those. That big engine and that heavy body. It would be a hard conversion and in the end you have something in the sub 8 miles per gallon.
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I was looking at the gilllig, the issue is they are built close to the ground and have no storage compartments installed underneath. That and I wonder what the fuel milage is on those. That big engine and that heavy body. It would be a hard conversion and in the end you have something in the sub 8 miles per gallon.
There are 5 Gillig Phantom school buses (search results link) on Public Surplus right now, all 1987 or 1988s. They all look like they've got underbelly storage (2 doors on each side, just forward of the rear wheel arches) on them.

Would the fuel mileage be that low with a Detroit 6V92T? (Data plates list 24k unladen weight.) I have no sense of it at all, but would like to before these auctions end, since I have cash in hand and all.
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Old 06-18-2015, 03:47 PM   #16
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Tempted to go by

I might be able to go by this weekend or make an appointment, if I do I will shoot as many picts as possible and post. I live about an hour away
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Old 06-18-2015, 03:48 PM   #17
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I'd guess sub-8mpg... just a guess

Probably get about the same mileage as a coach with that engine, depending on the gearing.
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i was seriously considering a gillig from Denver's RTD prior to finding my bookmobile. they are solid mofos.

that modern crown is also a looker. i think i recall moki b saying that crowns were aluminum shell? that would win hands down in that size for fuel...... but those school bus gilligs are as nice as a gillig gets.... better than RTD's.

the sound of that 6v92... ... were they both turbo?
both look like nice buses
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:13 PM   #19
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These are heavy beasts no Doubt and built considerably stronger than their Transit Counter Parts................These engines are at 277 HP which is a pretty mild setting: likely have much smaller injectors than what you would find in an MCI or an Eagle.

Of course you are moving a Brick.........so temperatures, terrain, weight and wind are all variables. So what kind of Mileage might you expect?

Fact of the matter is you never know till you try. Some questions relevant to this would be specifically to ask what the ratio is. I have learned that these have the MT644 Alison, but closer inspection appears to show that they may also have the Stone Bennet air shift............One of the questions not asked thus far is if these are DDEC 1 or 2 or if they are mechanical.

Really need to ask a lot of questions with regard these Coaches. Yes they will have underbelly storage. And yes they will have far better ground clearance than any Highway Coach. Are they air ride or are they Sprung? Another question not asked or answered.

I'm not particularly interested in owning a 40 foot Bus: If I were I would look very carefully at these as being a potential winner. California Coaches born and bred. Whether the engine is mechanical or electronic it surely offers tremendous potential for becoming fairly efficient. I see no reason, with sane driving that you shouldn't be able to pull 10 MPG from this engine. And as well for those not so concerned with thrift, this engine can fairly easily be "tuned" to 350 HP..........300 would probably be the max with the current transmission.........which can handle roughly 800 ft. lbs. torque......I know that the Super II used the HT740 coupled to their 6V92....so I'm not sure that the district saying these are the MT series is correct. The District was not responsible for the AD PS was, and they have done a lousy job. Photos loaded upside down and sideways, misleading and incomplete information. But

I look at this way: Of all the modern School buses out there especially for those looking to build out, You would be hard pressed to find another schoolie as stoutly built as these Phantoms.............

If I were looking for something to build out I would consider these very seriously. I would also make it my job to find out what is really going on with them. There are so many omissions that require answers. But this Auction for the one who takes the time to get to the bottom of it all, could get you a Bus far superior to any Bluebird or Thomas. My opinion. More importantly, because of the scarcity of information, and because of the lack of awareness, generally of these Phantoms, you might be able to steal one.
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