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Old 06-18-2015, 04:22 PM   #21
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They are Stout Buses...............and for a Brick they can also be very very Beautiful.............A lot of questions need to be asked. I have participated via the PS Web just as a bystander. However, the school district just informed me they will be downloading more photo's.......I specifically asked to see some under chassis shots and specifically asked for some shots of the engine...................These are really cool buses..........As well I might add that typically the Gilligs School Buses were clad in Steel/galvinized they also, even back in the day would make some clad in Aluminum: These Phantoms may also be aluminum clad...............They are turbo charged and it would be interesting to know if they are air shift and if they are the HT series Allison as opposed to the MT series. I suspect HT740 just like the Crown. I can't believe they would put an MT in front of that engine.
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:45 PM   #22
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I can see the storage now, one of those doors is battery. I wish they would just scan in the maintenance file folder and post it. Would make this much easier.
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:45 PM   #23
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Such great info. Thanks! And I'd love to see some way better pictures of these things.

As far as I've been able to figure out, the Phantom school buses came only with HT740s attached to the Detroits. The MT643 was not rated for enough input torque.

If I could get one for a reasonable price, they really seem like pretty ideal platforms for our build. Two adults, two kids, a cat, and another dog down the road (we just put down the German Shorthaired Pointer who was going to travel with us), on extended working trips, really says 40-footer to me. And living in Colorado says mo power and lockup torque converter, too.

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Old 06-18-2015, 04:49 PM   #24
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Yes, THIS would be the kind of bus I'd look for if lots of travel and grades are involved.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:44 PM   #25
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the 6V92 is a fuel hog, never understood why because an 8V71 with the same HP rating will always do better mileage
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Old 06-18-2015, 11:30 PM   #26
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Don't know that that's true.................depends on each individual application........I personally know a guy with an 8V71 in an MCI who gets about 6 or 7...........and I met a guy at Buses gone Wild with an 6V92TA at 350HP and his MCI is Heavy it's like a Log Cabin inside with all the attendant waste, fresh and grey water tanks.............And he claims to get 10+.........I don't know. I only had one Coach with a 6V92TA with bad gearing a 5.56 Rear end in an 87 Orion and it was a 30 ft. Unladen Coach and got about 9 mpg..................So I do agree neither engine is known for fuel efficiency. I'm more of an inline 6 guy............I've seen 13 mpg from my 671T and gotten as much as 14 with my Big Cam Cummins....... But that's with being aware and that's with staying close to the HP/TQ curve.....

It's just really hard to say. There's so much variation in running gear, weight and application....................but basically I'm in agreement they are not fuel pinchers.............
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:04 PM   #27
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So I asked them a few questions, transmission, highway lower storage and got a response

the lower storage is steel,It's air ride with air brakes, Alison transmission, they have been used in town as well as highway trips so they are not geared for low speed only
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:14 PM   #28
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I figured they were air ride based on how they were sitting.
I won't have "bus investment" money for a while, or I'd be plotting out how to get one of these.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:05 PM   #29
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I may pick up one of these Gilligs...........I see Gillig transits every day..........they are a box but they are also pretty in a boxy kind of way. And these Gillig School Phantoms are built even sturdier than a transit...........and a Gillig transit is a well constructed Coach..............as long as they can avoid the salt saturated roads of the midwest and east coast...........where they WILL rot away to the point of frames cracking and bulkheads rotting through.......................these are proud buses.........
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:46 PM   #30
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I am looking at those Gilligs, have problem with spousal acceptance factor, mainly because I have to dump it into storage which over months costs mola. I was hoping to pull the seats at a friends place in stockton then start screwing with DMV re-registration. but I have to park it somewhere. But Something really bothers me with them the low milage. I sent in a question why do they have 25 year old busses with sub 100,000 miles on them. I have to purchase totally unseen, as I am stuck in San Diego this week and a family event for the weekend I just had no way to go down and inspect. The other sings, public surplus has a 14% buyers premium on those things. So every grand you spend 210 bucks in taxes and fees.
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