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Old 07-26-2019, 04:05 PM   #1
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Hey, I'm in NJ and I'm looking to buy a short bus! It's got to be a shortie since that's all the space I have, but even at 30 ft long that's okay. Also needs to be a shortie for insurance and CDL purposes.

My budget is low: $2000 max. I just need it to run and have a complete body. No interior work needs to be done.

I've been searching on FB and CL. Are there any other places to search?

If you're selling, 551-900-1686
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Old 07-26-2019, 04:29 PM   #2
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Hey, I'm in NJ and I'm looking to buy a short bus! It's got to be a shortie since that's all the space I have, but even at 30 ft long that's okay. Also needs to be a shortie for insurance and CDL purposes.

My budget is low: $2000 max. I just need it to run and have a complete body. No interior work needs to be done.

I've been searching on FB and CL. Are there any other places to search?

If you're selling, 551-900-1686
you can google bus auctions, govt surplus, bus for sale, etc - a lot of stuff comes up
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Old 07-26-2019, 08:05 PM   #3
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The length of the bus has no bearing on CDL or insurance. CDL is more concerned with GVWR, not length. And insurance doesn't care how long it is either.
Do not look for a bus within 1000 miles of you.
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Old 07-26-2019, 08:24 PM   #4
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The length of the bus has no bearing on CDL or insurance. CDL is more concerned with GVWR, not length. And insurance doesn't care how long it is either.
Do not look for a bus within 1000 miles of you.
In NJ the maximum weight for a class C license is 26001 GVWR pounds. Thatís all vehicles through class 6. From what Iíve observed thatís all the cutaway style buses which are usually around 12,500 lbs GVWR and the shorter cowled large format buses that are around 7 windows which are usually 25,500 lbs GVWR.
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Old 07-26-2019, 10:25 PM   #5
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In NJ the maximum weight for a class C license is 26001 GVWR pounds. Thatís all vehicles through class 6. From what Iíve observed thatís all the cutaway style buses which are usually around 12,500 lbs GVWR and the shorter cowled large format buses that are around 7 windows which are usually 25,500 lbs GVWR.
None of it is based on length. GVWR is determined by the owner at registration.
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Old 07-26-2019, 10:39 PM   #6
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None of it is based on length. GVWR is determined by the owner at registration.

NO. GVWR is determined by the manufacturer. Owner *CANNOT* change this (unless owner is a registered, certified "manufacturer" or such and all the red tape that goes with it.) The owner *CAN* change the *Registered* weight, which in the trucking world, puts vehicles in different road-tax and heavy vehicle weight classifications.


This might be desirable if a truck capable of hauling 80,000 pounds legally only ever hauls light loads ... the taxes are much cheaper registering for, say 50K than 80K. Don't get caught over that registered weight, though. Not only can they give an overweight ticket, some could argue tax evasion as well.
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Old 07-27-2019, 02:23 PM   #7
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NO. GVWR is determined by the manufacturer. Owner *CANNOT* change this (unless owner is a registered, certified "manufacturer" or such and all the red tape that goes with it.) The owner *CAN* change the *Registered* weight, which in the trucking world, puts vehicles in different road-tax and heavy vehicle weight classifications.


This might be desirable if a truck capable of hauling 80,000 pounds legally only ever hauls light loads ... the taxes are much cheaper registering for, say 50K than 80K. Don't get caught over that registered weight, though. Not only can they give an overweight ticket, some could argue tax evasion as well.
Truth.

I saw a news article regarding a particular instances of a truck being caught significantly over GVWR. The article said that the overweight fine was over $11,000. Crazy!

Here in WA (may be different in other states?) if you register any commercial vehicle (including my PRIVATE 1ton pickups) the GVWR is dictated by the manufacturer and cannot be changed. However, if you retitle it as an RV they remove the GWRV and ask you how much it weighs. This weight does not show up on the title /registration the way GVWR does.

That is the only exception I have seen.
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Old 07-27-2019, 04:18 PM   #8
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NO. GVWR is determined by the manufacturer. Owner *CANNOT* change this (unless owner is a registered, certified "manufacturer" or such and all the red tape that goes with it.) The owner *CAN* change the *Registered* weight, which in the trucking world, puts vehicles in different road-tax and heavy vehicle weight classifications.


This might be desirable if a truck capable of hauling 80,000 pounds legally only ever hauls light loads ... the taxes are much cheaper registering for, say 50K than 80K. Don't get caught over that registered weight, though. Not only can they give an overweight ticket, some could argue tax evasion as well.
I am the manufacturer of my RV and the state of Ga. will list the GVWR as what ever I tell them it is. I'm not guessing, I checked it out when I titled my bus.
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Old 07-27-2019, 06:02 PM   #9
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Old 07-27-2019, 08:52 PM   #10
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I am the manufacturer of my RV and the state of Ga. will list the GVWR as what ever I tell them it is. I'm not guessing, I checked it out when I titled my bus.

Unless you have credentials *ISSUED BY THE STATE OF GEORGIA* then you are *NOT* a certified manufacturer. This certification/license is issued by the same department that licenses auto dealers (and in fact uses the same paperwork) as manufacturers. Only with this license will you be able to issue "Certificates of Origin" (or similar document). I'm guessing you're a handyman converting a bus into an RV and there's legal processes for that, and since RV's aren't registered by GVWR (usually by scaled out weight once the build is done) it's not as important.


Example - Navistar builds the chassis. *THEY* determine the initial GVWR. It goes to Ox Bodies (dump truck builder) and they add a tag axle to it (along with other work). As a licensed manufacturer, they issue a new Certificate of Origin with the new GVWR. Now let's say I come along and "upgrade" the springs, and try for a new GVWR. My paperwork will be rejected (and rightly so!) since I'm not a manufacturer. I can tell 'em whatever I want, it does not magically make the tires, springs, axles, etc able to carry any more weight. Nor does it decrease the maximum load it's able to carry.
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