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Old 04-28-2016, 03:40 PM   #11
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Who's gonna be right there by them, have a method of hauling them, have somewhere to store them, somewhere to store all the parts, and have nothing else to do for a few months?
This bus yard will be lucky if someone comes along.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had to pay someone to haul em off.
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yeah till the government says here's money to go buy new busses.. as long as you trash yours. . typically they pick which VINs qualify as the worst polluters.. not necessarily the oldest or most worn out busses...
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Old 04-28-2016, 06:17 PM   #12
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There is actually a bid on them already.
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If you've ever seen this engine drilling in person, they usually drill a nice round hole in the easiest place to get to the block. Why couldn't someone tap the hole and then install a plug? Yes, you'd have to clean the pan. Crankcase pressures can't be that high. This doesn't always happen on worn out equipment and I don't understand how they can justify the loss of value. Even at one or two $k per bus they would recoup significantly more money than scrap value. On the other hand many of the federal sales require destruction of vehicles. It's nice to know where our tax dollar goes.

Anybody know why the hole can't be plugged on an engine?
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Old 04-28-2016, 08:14 PM   #14
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If you've ever seen this engine drilling in person, they usually drill a nice round hole in the easiest place to get to the block. Why couldn't someone tap the hole and then install a plug? Yes, you'd have to clean the pan. Crankcase pressures can't be that high. This doesn't always happen on worn out equipment and I don't understand how they can justify the loss of value. Even at one or two $k per bus they would recoup significantly more money than scrap value. On the other hand many of the federal sales require destruction of vehicles. It's nice to know where our tax dollar goes.

Anybody know why the hole can't be plugged on an engine?
I thought the protocol was to drill the hole in an areas that huts a cylinder so the block is dead at that point....

also the VINs are blacklisted.. titles are salvage with a Do Not Rebuild clause so they can only ever be parted out... No state that I know of would dare register them and no insurasnce company will insure one. no one would pay anything for a motor that was drilled and plugged if it was in an area that didnt matter... perhaps a company like schoolbuspartsco would want them to use for parts they sell if the parts arent made anymore..

the same thing happened during cash for clunkers car program a few years back.. there was a group trying to save the many actual high dollar classic cars that got entered into the program(often old people had no idea there car was rare and collectable.. they simply wanted a new car and saw that as a way to afford one).... all those classics were destroyed.. none not a one was legally saved...

I heard tales of a few being pulled and illegally re-vinned and registered from old wrecks people had that matched the same description but it was risky business.. since it involved an EPA program it was a federal felony to alter the cash for clunkers cars...

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I wasn't thinking of trying to run the buses. Someone different is obviously drilling the holes at different location. The ones I saw appeared to be about a 1" hole directly into the crankcase. It is possible to hit a piston skirt if they're drilling high enough.
My point was that a small regular hole with no cracks should be able to be plugged. I'm just remembering tractor repairs from when I was a kid. A small regular hole, if there was no internal damage, should be able to be plugged. It would be smaller than a freeze plug, and threaded.
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I thought the protocol was to drill the hole in an areas that huts a cylinder so the block is dead at that point....

also the VINs are blacklisted.. titles are salvage with a Do Not Rebuild clause so they can only ever be parted out... No state that I know of would dare register them and no insurasnce company will insure one. no one would pay anything for a motor that was drilled and plugged if it was in an area that didnt matter... perhaps a company like schoolbuspartsco would want them to use for parts they sell if the parts arent made anymore..

the same thing happened during cash for clunkers car program a few years back.. there was a group trying to save the many actual high dollar classic cars that got entered into the program(often old people had no idea there car was rare and collectable.. they simply wanted a new car and saw that as a way to afford one).... all those classics were destroyed.. none not a one was legally saved...

I heard tales of a few being pulled and illegally re-vinned and registered from old wrecks people had that matched the same description but it was risky business.. since it involved an EPA program it was a federal felony to alter the cash for clunkers cars...

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So the old police interceptor crown vic I rebuilt from a salvaged title and had the state inspector come out and sign off as an original automobile was VIN swapped???????

Switch the motor, and reregister it and I bet it would fly as a private vehicle. If you were a contracted bus driver for a school district trying to register it commercial, then I could see that as a no go. Hell, I can register a B2 as a private plane and fly it as long as the FAA says it is flight worthy. Just my thoughts on it anyway. I could be wrong........
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Angry It's all in the budget....

Problem is, if a certain entity either public or private, doesn't spend the entirety of the year budget, next year that entity gets less $$$.
Works that way in the private sector for...say...IT, or public/gov't...say...DoD...
So it doesn't really matter if the buses were in tip-top shape because the mechanic team did an outstanding job; they need to be rendered unusable to fully justify the spending of the budget.

if they were sold, they'd have a surplus, hence not needing budget $$$, and you know the rest...

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That's administrative logic.
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:46 AM   #20
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So the old police interceptor crown vic I rebuilt from a salvaged title and had the state inspector come out and sign off as an original automobile was VIN swapped???????

Switch the motor, and reregister it and I bet it would fly as a private vehicle. If you were a contracted bus driver for a school district trying to register it commercial, then I could see that as a no go. Hell, I can register a B2 as a private plane and fly it as long as the FAA says it is flight worthy. Just my thoughts on it anyway. I could be wrong........
rebuilt salvage tites are not blacklisted titles... rebuilt salvage is perfectly legal and is done all the time(many cars are "totalled" in accidents which are completely re-buildable)...they do just as you did, the state inspects them to make sure they are rebuilt to requirements and you are good to go as a normal car.. I did it with a 9C1 caprice myself...

.. those cars werent destroyed due to EPA programs and marked as such...

they may have been replaced because the city simply didnt want them.. and internally the city may have purposely destroyed thse interceptors.. but im not aware of any federal EPA / Green program that stated old police vehicles were to be destroyed to get grant money ...

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