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Old 05-24-2019, 12:33 PM   #11
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I double checked the picture just now. Nope, no rear impact damage to be seen, shotgun side, anyhoo.
That's why I'm thinking more broadside than a pit maneuver...
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Old 05-24-2019, 12:39 PM   #12
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Me thinks it got hit on driver's side and bus wound up rolling into driver's side ditch. Rural, probably dirt road, and usually some significant pitch to the ditch.
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Old 05-24-2019, 12:43 PM   #13
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Aye, that's the hitch- a pitch to the ditch. Ain't that a bitch?!
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Old 05-24-2019, 02:08 PM   #14
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Sure a school bus might be safer but the speeds are much lower then motor homes and travel trailers. Would love to see some pics of an 75 mph frontal impact on concrete bridge pillar.





This looks more a fire brigade training session.











This could have been your bedroom.


Most of the school bus accidents are low speed , while most of the MH accidents where everything is destroyed are high speed highway accidents.
Also the kids might be relatively well packaged but the driver seems to be still as vulnerable in a bus / truck or motor home. Most likely you will be sitting there when it happens.



The rollovers are not a very good comparison. School buses are way to high to be stable so they are easy to roll over and thus countermeasures are put in place.

MH roll overs are mostly at much higher speeds where even the lower center of gravity can not help any more. Not to speak of the not well trained / qualified / certified motor home driver .... and the results show.
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Old 05-24-2019, 02:51 PM   #15
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True that .. I’m interested to know if metal in front of you is a help or a hinderance.. ie RE vs dog nose..

One of the things I see with many MH that seems less on busses is the small wheels and narrow wheelbase. Couple that with 75-80 mph and stability has to go down..

Many Motorhomes I see crash on the highway involve a partial or full rollover, whether it started as a frontal collision or not.. no way to know when I’m just a vehicle passing through. In a travel trailer at least the occupants are supposed to be in the tow vehicle which is usually a large truck or SUV.. presumably protecting its occupants fairly well.

I venture to say that most none of our safety belts in bus driver seats are not proper on a rollover..

And joe brings up another good point how good are the drivers in a MH vs a school bus..
I venture to say the majority of us on here and other RV sites have had little to none.

When I was 18 I had a short course to pass to drive a church bus but nothing even close to a full skills based CDL training and test.. I’m sure I’ve picked up bad habits that would make real pro drivers cringe should a panic situation occur
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Old 05-24-2019, 03:30 PM   #16
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True that .. Iím interested to know if metal in front of you is a help or a hinderance.. ie RE vs dog nose..

One of the things I see with many MH that seems less on busses is the small wheels and narrow wheelbase. Couple that with 75-80 mph and stability has to go down..

Many Motorhomes I see crash on the highway involve a partial or full rollover, whether it started as a frontal collision or not.. no way to know when Iím just a vehicle passing through. In a travel trailer at least the occupants are supposed to be in the tow vehicle which is usually a large truck or SUV.. presumably protecting its occupants fairly well.

I venture to say that most none of our safety belts in bus driver seats are not proper on a rollover..

And joe brings up another good point how good are the drivers in a MH vs a school bus..
I venture to say the majority of us on here and other RV sites have had little to none.

When I was 18 I had a short course to pass to drive a church bus but nothing even close to a full skills based CDL training and test.. Iím sure Iíve picked up bad habits that would make real pro drivers cringe should a panic situation occur
I've had some experience driving large (er) and awkward rigs, a lot of experience at driving in almost road closure conditions, and I've driven vehicles that almost match the bus I want in length, but I'm no pro - - I do have enough confidence that I'll pick up the skills I may be missing fairly quickly once l get a few 1000 miles on my bus - most of that will be highway driving
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Old 05-25-2019, 12:38 PM   #17
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Old 05-26-2019, 01:20 AM   #18
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That is strange, you should be able to post pictures.
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Old 05-28-2019, 02:28 PM   #19
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Likely, but how hard was he hauling hienie upon impact?!!
Take a bullet and poke somebody with it, all you'll do is annoy them.
But chamber it and drop the hammer on the same hypothical somebody, and there will be a substantial change in the bullet's effect...
Take into account how much a modern pickup weighs nowadays. The article didnít mention a year, make or model. Couldíve been a RAM 3500 dualie or equivalent weighing almost 9-10k lbs couldíve hit at 60 MPH and itís easy to see the momentum was there to initiate a rollover.

Kinda goes along with your bullet caliber metaphor. The modern, obese pickup truck is like a 12 GA deer slug. Big and heavy and a slower velocity needed to do serious damage. Versus older trucks with less mass would need to travel faster to do that kind of damage. Either way I liked your metaphor.
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Old 05-28-2019, 03:27 PM   #20
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Not saying it's impossible, improbable, yes.
Until one factors in both the "obese" and too-stupid-to-live factors.
Prolly never see pix of the driver's side to tell the tale...
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Take into account how much a modern pickup weighs nowadays. The article didnít mention a year, make or model. Couldíve been a RAM 3500 dualie or equivalent weighing almost 9-10k lbs couldíve hit at 60 MPH and itís easy to see the momentum was there to initiate a rollover.

Kinda goes along with your bullet caliber metaphor. The modern, obese pickup truck is like a 12 GA deer slug. Big and heavy and a slower velocity needed to do serious damage. Versus older trucks with less mass would need to travel faster to do that kind of damage. Either way I liked your metaphor.
Dang it! I was thinking of a rifled slug, but opted for more generic ballistic noun.
Thankya kindly!
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