School bus rollover

[Rovobay]

What would an RV rollover look like? This is why I choose a school bus. Safety!

https://www.valleynewslive.com/conte...510329261.html

[Gustav]

Amen brother!!!

[Sleddgracer]

Originally Posted by Rovobay

What would an RV rollover look like? This is why I choose a school bus. Safety!

https://www.valleynewslive.com/conte...510329261.html

you'd need a leaf blower to clean up the mess if that had been a standard MH

[Brad_SwiftFur]

A quick google search later......


Many school bus rollover photos show buses in some degree of intact-ness. Often many windows don't appear to be broken.



Many RV rollover photos show piles of rubble, and/or stuff scattered everywhere.

[HazMatt]

Day-yum! I'd like to know how, with the disproportionate masses involved, a P/U could flip over a 14-window.
Think we'll be seeing it in the auctions soon?
Some 100 mph tape and mondo Bondo, it'll be just fine...

[Gustav]

Probably got knocked sideways and rolled going into the ditch.

[HazMatt]

Likely, but how hard was he hauling hienie upon impact?!!
Take a bullet and poke somebody with it, all you'll do is annoy them.
But chamber it and drop the hammer on the same hypothical somebody, and there will be a substantial change in the bullet's effect...

[cadillackid]

it doesnt take much to "PIT" style a bus.. its happened more than once with someone entering a freewauy ramp even.. going the same direction and they hit the bus at the rear and start the tires in a slide... once the bus is getting mostly sideways it doesnt take much to "trip" it.. on a 2 lane road its probably going in the ditch..

[o1marc]

Couple minor RV wrecks

[cadillackid]

seems I see one of these RV or travel trailer wrecks almost every trip I go to miami and back... somewhere on I-75 or I-95 ill see a smashed up RV or suburban with a trailer

[HazMatt]

I double checked the picture just now. Nope, no rear impact damage to be seen, shotgun side, anyhoo.
That's why I'm thinking more broadside than a pit maneuver...

[Gustav]

Me thinks it got hit on driver's side and bus wound up rolling into driver's side ditch. Rural, probably dirt road, and usually some significant pitch to the ditch.

[HazMatt]

Aye, that's the hitch- a pitch to the ditch. Ain't that a bitch?! [emoji16]

[joeblack5]

Sure a school bus might be safer but the speeds are much lower then motor homes and travel trailers. Would love to see some pics of an 75 mph frontal impact on concrete bridge pillar.





This looks more a fire brigade training session.











This could have been your bedroom.


Most of the school bus accidents are low speed , while most of the MH accidents where everything is destroyed are high speed highway accidents.
Also the kids might be relatively well packaged but the driver seems to be still as vulnerable in a bus / truck or motor home. Most likely you will be sitting there when it happens.



The rollovers are not a very good comparison. School buses are way to high to be stable so they are easy to roll over and thus countermeasures are put in place.

MH roll overs are mostly at much higher speeds where even the lower center of gravity can not help any more. Not to speak of the not well trained / qualified / certified motor home driver .... and the results show.

[cadillackid]

True that .. I’m interested to know if metal in front of you is a help or a hinderance.. ie RE vs dog nose..

One of the things I see with many MH that seems less on busses is the small wheels and narrow wheelbase. Couple that with 75-80 mph and stability has to go down..

Many Motorhomes I see crash on the highway involve a partial or full rollover, whether it started as a frontal collision or not.. no way to know when I’m just a vehicle passing through. In a travel trailer at least the occupants are supposed to be in the tow vehicle which is usually a large truck or SUV.. presumably protecting its occupants fairly well.

I venture to say that most none of our safety belts in bus driver seats are not proper on a rollover..

And joe brings up another good point how good are the drivers in a MH vs a school bus..
I venture to say the majority of us on here and other RV sites have had little to none.

When I was 18 I had a short course to pass to drive a church bus but nothing even close to a full skills based CDL training and test.. I’m sure I’ve picked up bad habits that would make real pro drivers cringe should a panic situation occur

[Sleddgracer]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

True that .. I’m interested to know if metal in front of you is a help or a hinderance.. ie RE vs dog nose..

One of the things I see with many MH that seems less on busses is the small wheels and narrow wheelbase. Couple that with 75-80 mph and stability has to go down..

Many Motorhomes I see crash on the highway involve a partial or full rollover, whether it started as a frontal collision or not.. no way to know when I’m just a vehicle passing through. In a travel trailer at least the occupants are supposed to be in the tow vehicle which is usually a large truck or SUV.. presumably protecting its occupants fairly well.

I venture to say that most none of our safety belts in bus driver seats are not proper on a rollover..

And joe brings up another good point how good are the drivers in a MH vs a school bus..
I venture to say the majority of us on here and other RV sites have had little to none.

When I was 18 I had a short course to pass to drive a church bus but nothing even close to a full skills based CDL training and test.. I’m sure I’ve picked up bad habits that would make real pro drivers cringe should a panic situation occur

I've had some experience driving large (er) and awkward rigs, a lot of experience at driving in almost road closure conditions, and I've driven vehicles that almost match the bus I want in length, but I'm no pro - - I do have enough confidence that I'll pick up the skills I may be missing fairly quickly once l get a few 1000 miles on my bus - most of that will be highway driving

[TheHubbardBus]

nvm... can't post images

[Native]

Originally Posted by TheHubbardBus

nvm... can't post images

That is strange, you should be able to post pictures.

[WARGEAR]

Originally Posted by haz.matt.1960

Likely, but how hard was he hauling hienie upon impact?!!
Take a bullet and poke somebody with it, all you'll do is annoy them.
But chamber it and drop the hammer on the same hypothical somebody, and there will be a substantial change in the bullet's effect...

Take into account how much a modern pickup weighs nowadays. The article didn’t mention a year, make or model. Could’ve been a RAM 3500 dualie or equivalent weighing almost 9-10k lbs could’ve hit at 60 MPH and it’s easy to see the momentum was there to initiate a rollover.

Kinda goes along with your bullet caliber metaphor. The modern, obese pickup truck is like a 12 GA deer slug. Big and heavy and a slower velocity needed to do serious damage. Versus older trucks with less mass would need to travel faster to do that kind of damage. Either way I liked your metaphor.

[HazMatt]

Not saying it's impossible, improbable, yes.
Until one factors in both the "obese" and too-stupid-to-live factors.
Prolly never see pix of the driver's side to tell the tale...

Originally Posted by WARGEAR

Take into account how much a modern pickup weighs nowadays. The article didn’t mention a year, make or model. Could’ve been a RAM 3500 dualie or equivalent weighing almost 9-10k lbs could’ve hit at 60 MPH and it’s easy to see the momentum was there to initiate a rollover.

Kinda goes along with your bullet caliber metaphor. The modern, obese pickup truck is like a 12 GA deer slug. Big and heavy and a slower velocity needed to do serious damage. Versus older trucks with less mass would need to travel faster to do that kind of damage. Either way I liked your metaphor.

Dang it! I was thinking of a rifled slug, but opted for more generic ballistic noun.
Thankya kindly!