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Old 11-02-2007, 11:10 PM   #1
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05 H3 Hummer that gets 60MPG on WVO?

Don't believe it? Check out this article I just stumbled upon. <-- this is a link for a cool program that finds cool websites for you... Below is the link.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/30/14161/066
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:40 PM   #2
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"When you start a diesel engine up on vegetable oil," Goodwin says, "you turn the key, and you hear nothing. Because of the lubricating power of the oil, it's just so smooth. Whisper quiet. And they're like, 'Is it running? Yeah, you can hear the fan going.'"


This guy has crap overflowing from his head into his ear canals. That's why he can't hear the diesel engine running.
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:53 PM   #3
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Re: 05 H3 Hummer that gets 60MPG on WVO?

hmm, and why dont you believe it? Because you might have been indoctrinated by the automotive industrie that it is impossible?
Remember the claim for the 60MPG is from a car that will mostly be running on its electrical motor only burns fuel for charging the "batteries".
I believe it is possible.
But then most people probably would consider me as an conspiricy guy in such questions. For I firmly believe that the automotive industry / oil / gas etc. is not interested in too fuel effcient vehicles yet. Yes they make improvements to satisfy the "green demands" but I'm sure if they really wanted to, they could do way better. Just my opinion.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:18 AM   #4
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Re: 05 H3 Hummer that gets 60MPG on WVO?

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But then most people probably would consider me as an conspiricy guy in such questions. For I firmly believe that the automotive industry / oil / gas etc. is not interested in too fuel effcient vehicles yet. Yes they make improvements to satisfy the "green demands" but I'm sure if they really wanted to, they could do way better. Just my opinion.
I am with ya on this... Ever see that documentary who killed the electric car. If not I highly recommend it.

I don't necessarily buy into all conspiracy hype but think about it. A 1986 Ford Taurus gets the same fuel mileage as a 2006 Taurus, doesn't it seem that something could have improved the fuel mileage over the course of 20 years? The same could be said about most cars in this time frame, I just happen to know my fords a little better.

It just really grinds my gears when we see all these hybrids all over that get 40-50 MPG and Europe has had small diesel engines getting the same mileage for the past decade. And they don't have $4,000 battery banks that need replacement every 5(ish) years.

Anyway, I just thought it was an interesting read that someone out there is thinking outside the box - trying things that the auto industry says can't be done. Regardless with how quiet the engine is running, the stuff that this guy is doing is amazing.

By the way Crazycal, have you heard some of the new diesel engines they're putting in the pick up trucks? They're almost as quiet as a gas motor.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:46 AM   #5
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Re: 05 H3 Hummer that gets 60MPG on WVO?

That's not the part of the story that I quoted. I am well aware of what electric cars are capable of. Look here. http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/videos.php

When someone says that you can't here a diesel running, running on wvo or diesel, I say



As far as the newer pickemups with diesels, I have driven them all. I have a 05 Dodge with a Cummins, and yes it is quite, but I can still here it.
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Re: 05 H3 Hummer that gets 60MPG on WVO?

uhhh what?

I was referring to swinadas comment about the automotive industry / oil / gas etc. not interested in fuel efficient vehicles...

I do agree that not being able to hear a diesel engine run is BS, but the quietness of the motor is not the point of the article, and I don't think it necessarily means the whole article is BS.
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Re: 05 H3 Hummer that gets 60MPG on WVO?

I agree with you, but I still think they are stretching the truth a bit. 2000 ft lbs of torque. Is that from electric or diesel. Diesel/electric hybrids are the way to go. If I am reading a story and I find facts tweaked to make things seem more sensational, then I have a problem with the story. I have seen people use numbers as high as 200 miles per gallon. They are counting only the couple of gallons of diesel they bought divided into all the miles they drove including those on wvo. The drag race with the Lambo is no big deal. That car is made to drive at 180mph, not win 1/4 mile drag races. Too many things in the story are stinky, so I take it with a grain of salt. I have a simple mind. Just give the facts and I'm happy.
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Re: 05 H3 Hummer that gets 60MPG on WVO?

Here's another story on this guy's work, very interesting read.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/120 ... ssiah.html
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Re: 05 H3 Hummer that gets 60MPG on WVO?

"Conservatively," Goodwin muses, scratching his chin, "it'll get 60 miles to the gallon. With 2,000 foot-pounds of torque. You'll be able to smoke the tires. And it's going to be superefficient."

The turbine thing has been done.


Now I understand that it wasn't a hybrid, but it failed for any number of reasons. Turbines are expensive when parts fail and require a VERY competent technician to work on them. On top of that they're loud, can be difficult to start, etc. A turbine just doesn't lend itself well to starting and stopping like in a hybrid vehicle.

My other issue is with the 2000 ft lbs claim. Yes, electric motors are capable of tremendous stalled torque, but at the expense of horsepower. If you want that thing to go fast you're going to be giving up torque. If you want it to pull a load you're going to be giving up horsepower and speed.

The other thing...it's an H3. There isn't a component on that vehicle that is matched to even 400 ft lbs of torque, let alone 5 times that. 2000 ft lbs and you're talking Dana 70 snapping power, even under something that light. Just look at what the diesel pickup guys are able to do with 1000 ft lbs. Sure, they have more weight, but they also have 1-ton components...which the scatter about on the ground when they get on it.

I applaud people for trying, but in this case...man...hubris be thy name.
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He drove it over to a local restaurant and mooched some discarded oil from its deep fryer, strained the oil through a pair of jeans, and poured it into the engine. It ran perfectly.
For about 5 miles until his filter clogged. I think this story is about 90% fluff. I still say...

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