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Old 07-02-2015, 12:27 PM   #31
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Old 07-06-2015, 04:40 PM   #32
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Yea-its gotten next to impossible to find free oil anymore. Same deal here in Ct. A big bio-d company came in + aggresivly scooped up every drop by promising the world. Now that diesel and fuel oil has come down, I'm sure they aren't making the same money. So they may not be so into picking up and paying what they promised.
But then again, with diesel being cheaper, it also makes tipping point of the cost of conversion farther from worth it.
It works for me-I have a steady locked in source and a 2 years supply stashed-and all my trips are a tankfull out + back-but the days of traveling the country and expecting everyone happy to give you free oil are 10 years past.
I'm curious if you might be referring to a company called TriState Biodiesel.
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:02 PM   #33
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@sdwarf36: It is tougher now-a-days with the competition getting so fierce. But, I believe running on WVO is a great thing and the time to do it is now, before all the mechanical engines become obsolete.

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I'd love to hear why you think the engines will become obsolete. What will replace them? I'm totally clueless about this. So thrilled to hear all your stories, and your video is amazing! Thank you.
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:06 PM   #34
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This has been a really helpful thread to read. Thank you everyone who has contributed. I think I understand the difference between WVO and biodiesel. And I have heard that biodiesel is fairly easy to find now when one is on the road. Can anyone attest to this?

Also, I'm curious about the carbon neutrality of all this. I get that it skirts around fossil fuels, which is a major plus for sure. But doesn't it (both wvo and biodiesel) still create C02 via the combustion process?
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Old 07-07-2015, 10:56 AM   #35
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Biodiesel and ethanol blended gasoline is big $$$$ for big companies like Archer Daniels Midland Company and other corporate farm entities. And most of the big $$$$ arrive in the form of tax subsidies paid for by you and me.

As far as saving the environment goes, not so much.

Most studies have shown it takes about five gallons of dinodiesel to produce four gallons of biodiesel or ethanol.

How anyone figures we are saving the environment that way I have no idea.

Taking corn and making it into fuel also creates higher prices for traditional uses of corn such as animal and people food.

Using WVO is smart as if uses something that used to be dumped. But turning food into fuel is not the smartest idea that has come down the pike recently.
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Old 07-07-2015, 11:03 AM   #36
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On another site I used to be a part of there was one guy who used WVO exclusively on his military truck. After almost three years of use the fuel injection distributor pump decided it had tolerated enough and disintegrated on the side of a major highway. BIG $$$$ later this guy decided WVO was not intended for everyday use - too much acid/water in the oil. The pump looked like it came from the depths of the ocean when it was accessed in the shop, not re-buildable. Just thought I'd pass it along......
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Old 07-07-2015, 02:50 PM   #37
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Anything grown in this lifetime and used in this life time becomes carbon neutral.

No fossil fuels were grown in this life time.

Anything burning poorly is bad for the environment. (Smoking poorly running bus on WVO) (Wood stove smoking away on a cold low burn)

Only way any of this makes any sense is if you have a ton of spare parts, spare Engines, and have the time and skills to swap engines when you kill it running this waste oil.

Keep in mind the engine after dieing from running this waste oil is still good to rebuild and start again.

I have three 12 valve 5.9 cummins. I have no problem running waste oil in them because they are cheap, (under $1000) and I have three.

On the other hand, it took me 7 years to get my 8.3 Cummins. That engine will never see anything but regular diesel fuel.

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Old 07-07-2015, 06:20 PM   #38
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On another site I used to be a part of there was one guy who used WVO exclusively on his military truck. After almost three years of use the fuel injection distributor pump decided it had tolerated enough and disintegrated on the side of a major highway. BIG $$$$ later this guy decided WVO was not intended for everyday use - too much acid/water in the oil. The pump looked like it came from the depths of the ocean when it was accessed in the shop, not re-buildable. Just thought I'd pass it along......
I know a guy that put a turbo on his car-and it blew up. Therefore any car that runs a turbo will blow up.

Done correctly, WVO will do no harm. Done incorrectly can cause all kinds of problems. Theres a learning curve for sure-I'd be lying if I said I haven't made mistakes. But I've learned from them and moved on.
There ARE better suited motors than others.
There IS difficulty finding oil now as opposed to 10 years ago.
You MUST have a steady source of oil in place before you even think about buying a kit.
There IS a fair amount of work getting your collection and filtering correct.
You HAVE to be a DYI kinda person to do it.
You WILL get dirty-and you will have sticky goo on everything you own.
You WILL get good at math. How far can I go to my next source of oil? The first equation you should work on is : cost of kit + cost of conversion+ cost of collection + filtering divided by:number of miles driven a year X years of ownership.
I would love to see more people out there greasin'- but I've talked more out of it than into it.
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Old 07-07-2015, 06:32 PM   #39
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I'd love to hear why you think the engines will become obsolete. What will replace them? I'm totally clueless about this. So thrilled to hear all your stories, and your video is amazing! Thank you.
Electronically controlled diesels such as the powerstroke(t444e) are replaceing mechanically injected diesels like the dt466. The reason for the swich to non mechanical is for several reasons.....
1) environmental, it not practical to make a mec. Engine that will pass new engine standards.

2) cost, electronic engines are supposed to make better MPG. I question this, especially on school busses.


Note: the t444e is obsolete now, it's the first electronic engine I can think of.

IH is now on the maxxForceDT now....what a stupid name.
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Old 08-16-2015, 03:10 PM   #40
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The wife and i have been going back and forth about converting, with her on the "save the planet" team and me on the "lets not get stranded" team. I have friends who tour and make their living out of their bus, and on more than one occasion they've gotten stuck somewhere because fuel was hard to find. When they started ten years ago, it was great for them. But now they spend an extra day in every town trying to get the fuel to leave. Environmentally great? totally. But how much down time is that worth? It's all personal preference and personal priorities, i guess.
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