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Old 08-08-2008, 02:12 AM   #1
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WVO against federal law

WVO against federal law

What the hell is wrong with our laws. Why would the Feds make saving the earth illegal. A growing trend across the country to help save $ on gas and to have a clean burning fuel. But hell no the US says it is illegal and have harsh fines they have started handing out to those who convert their vehicles. I understand the need for a tax. Hell they tax everything so who would expect any less. They even have a death tax. Whats next the feds gonna break my door in and tax me cause I farted in my sleep saying I am breaking emissions laws The fines on this are insane. I was and am still planning a WVO conversion on my bus and if they think I will follow their rules then they better come get me now. As I said I understand a tax to help keep the roads up but 26 cent a gal in ga & 37 cent fed tax per gal is just nuts especially when you have to process and clean it yourself. And the federal laws & EPA say no matter what WVO is not an acceptable fuel for cars due to current emission laws.




http://www. baltimoresun. com/news/local/bay_environment/bal-te. md. svo22jun22,0,7770381. story

http://www. baltimoresun. com/news/local/bay_environment/bal-te. md. svo22jun22,0,7770381. story

http://www. mcall. com/news/local/all-a1-5fuel. 6522860jul28,0,3835468. story

http://www. spokesmanreview. com/tools/story_pf. asp?ID=251657

Does anyone know where to find the actual laws pertaining fuel types?
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Old 08-13-2008, 03:32 PM   #2
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You'd think they'd encourage it, not punish (which just proves this whole oil shortage scam is just a money-maker). We need a moron tax, we could pay the national debt & put the gov out of business.

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Old 08-13-2008, 11:03 PM   #3
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I do not intend to defend the government on this wvo tax. What I think is the main problem is the supply of products such as agricultural goods and fuel is being surpassed by the growing need for these commodities by a world population that can not possibly maintain its self. I think the world will continue to produce what it can but will exhaust these commodities at a faster pace than what we can live with.

I say do what you can to enjoy the use of wvo now. I think five , ten , and twenty years will drastically change the way we live and consume food and energy. Maybe its the worrier in me.
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Old 09-20-2008, 11:59 AM   #4
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Your allowed to add up to 5% as an addative according to the epa.
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Old 12-22-2008, 03:11 PM   #5
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We need to take the power back.
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Old 01-03-2009, 04:12 PM   #6
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I own a WVO company here in Colorado and so far am running okay. Everyone is right the day's of wvo are running shorter. My view is that it is a step in the right direction and is just one move to make things better. There is no silver bullet to solve our energy problems but I feel that it is up to individuals to do what they can for change. If left up to the gov't and big business it's safe to say that the general public will get the short end of the stick. I've learned that just because something is a great idea doesn't mean that we will be allowed to do it. But hey I'm gonna do it anyway because I know it's right.
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it would take a lot of convincing for me to believe that wvo is "cleaner" than diesel fuel....especially the new ultra low sulpher diesel we are forced to buy now.

I once towed my car while burning wvo. A thick coating of black soot covered the car. There was a bus a couple years ago with signs all over it touting how "clean" veggie oil is, but the plumes of smoke coming out of the tailpipe seemed to tell a different story.

I don't know about the difference in chemical composition or toxicity of the exhaust between the two fuels, but in my expierence, the particulate matter is definitely worse running wvo.

does burning wvo really help save the enviroment? I did it because i'm cheap, and i like to be different.
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Well, for one thing it's not always what you can see that will kill you. Particulate matter or "the smoke" that we see coming from our vehicles is not all as ait may seem. Black smoke that of which we see comimg from diesel powered diesel engines is heavy in particulate matter as opposed to the white smoke that we see from a veggie system which, while still visible to us is low in particulate matter. That opens up the can of what kinds of particulate are we talkin' about. The problem that we have with even the cleanest diesel is the sulphur dioxide;carbon monoxide;hydrocarbons and the crazy assortment of toxic contaminants that are released when it is both burned and manufactured. The effect that this fuel has on the world and its inhabitants is staggering to say the utmost least. The "particulate matter" that is spoke of from wvo burning is actually 65% less in hydrocarbons than diesel. There is a something to that smoke though for it is 10% higher in nitrogen oxide emmissions. Does anyone care to field what nitrogen oxide does to things? Wvo burns hotter that diesel and burns more clean that diesel as a result. The simple fact is that wvo is not a toxic cocktail of chemicals that diesel is and will always be. Getting into the taxation and repetitve retaxing of a fuel which we as americans actually subsidize so that a few can control the many is something else. The whole system is set up to the point that wvo emmission standards can't play on the same field as standard oil has set up. To bring about any kind of revelation would upset the powers that be cause they done got'em fooled.
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There is also the issue of releasing carbon that has been trapped in oil deposits for millions of years as opposed to releasing carbon that has been trapped in plants for a year or less. The former raises the amount of carbon in the atmosphere and the latter just cycles the pre-existing carbon.
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The taxing issue has alot to do with it. Just like running red dyed fuel, its the same diesel as the pump, just no road tax so its a big no no. Theres alot of things you can pour into an older diesel engine that it will burn, engine oil, trans fluid, wvo etc. WVO may very well be less polluting as could tranny fluid, its just a matter of the EPA having resources to put it all to the test. It may not be though, burning does weird things to molecules. It just isnt feasible to test, approve and police every liquid an engine could burn. If usage becomes more popular, maybe they will? Unless it is commercially produced and filtered, I don't know if the new tier4 engines injection systems could handle it, which could make it go to the wayside anyways. Diesel particulates are a hot topic that the media jumped all over a couple of years ago from a few studies that showed it causes lung problems, as does sand, chicken crap etc etc. For whatever reason, they would rather have new trucks burn more fuel (regen systems) and release more CO2 to reduce particulates. This and the nonvented gas cans are two things the EPA has mandated that I just dont understand.
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