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Old 10-18-2008, 12:12 PM   #1
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any problems in arkansas on bus-rv title

am saving for a bus and wanted to make sure i would be able to tag it and insure it, looked thru the forum and found no items with arkansas and looked on ark. web site and cant find any info at all.....thanks in advance....
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Old 10-18-2008, 04:30 PM   #2
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Re: any problems in arkansas on bus-rv title

I spent some time looking through Title 27 - Transportation in the Arkansas Code.

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27-14-207. Definitions.
(1) “Bus” means every motor vehicle designed for carrying more than ten (10) passengers and used for the transportation of persons and every motor vehicle, other than a taxicab, designed and used for the transportation of persons for compensation;
(5) “Motor home” means a motor vehicle designed to provide temporary living quarters, built onto an integral part of, or permanently attached to, a self-propelled motor vehicle chassis. The vehicle must contain permanently installed independent life-support systems;
(7) “School bus” means every motor vehicle owned by a public or governmental agency and operated for the transportation of children to or from school or privately owned and operated for compensation for the transportation of children to or from school;

27-14-213. Specially constructed and reconstructed vehicles.
(b) “Reconstructed vehicle” means every vehicle of a type required to be registered under this chapter materially altered from its original construction by the removal, addition, or substitution of essential parts, new or used.

27-14-214. Essential parts.
“Essential parts” means all integral and body parts of a vehicle of a type required to be registered under this chapter, the removal, alteration, or substitution of which would tend to conceal the identity of the vehicle or substantially alter its appearance, model, type, or mode of operation.

Subchapter 7 — Registration and Certificates of Title
27-14-707. Application for specially constructed, reconstructed, or foreign vehicles.
(a) (1) In the event the vehicle to be registered is a specially constructed, reconstructed, or foreign vehicle, that fact shall be stated in the application.
Sounds like a skoolie isn't a "school bus" anymore once it isn't owned and used by someone transporting children, it's not a "bus" if it's not operated for compensation, but it isn't a "motor home' until it has "permanently installed independent life-support systems." I guess it would be a truck while it's in limbo.

The law makes it sound sound like you can go to a Dept. of Finance & Administration office and get a "motor home" title once it's converted, if you note that it is a "reconstructed vehicle" on the title application, since the type and mode of operation have changed. It might or might not be just that easy. You would have to confirm ahead of time whether "reconstructed vehicle" is designed to describe a vehicle converted to a new purpose, or a salvage wreck rebuilt with replacement body parts. The law gives the agency lots of authority to create rules to fulfill its mission.

I don't know if the DFA would charge you $30 as a Class 3 pleasure vehicle over 4501 pounds, or $39-$1350 as a Class 2-7 truck based on gross weight.

I strongly suggest going to a rural office instead of a big city, whenever possible. They always seem to be able to spend more time with each customer, and seem to have the ability to separate non-standard legitimate requests from B.S. Big city clerks probably have heard too much B.S. They look at the line behind you, and the manager behind them, and say "No. Next."

Good Luck.

(p.s. My after-school job for two years in high school was to drive to the DMV in the city every day, and stand in line in place of the customers of the local insurance agency. I quickly learned which clerks to line up for, and which to avoid.)
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Old 08-09-2017, 08:55 PM   #3
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I spent some time looking through Title 27 - Transportation in the Arkansas Code.



Sounds like a skoolie isn't a "school bus" anymore once it isn't owned and used by someone transporting children, it's not a "bus" if it's not operated for compensation, but it isn't a "motor home' until it has "permanently installed independent life-support systems." I guess it would be a truck while it's in limbo.

The law makes it sound sound like you can go to a Dept. of Finance & Administration office and get a "motor home" title once it's converted, if you note that it is a "reconstructed vehicle" on the title application, since the type and mode of operation have changed. It might or might not be just that easy. You would have to confirm ahead of time whether "reconstructed vehicle" is designed to describe a vehicle converted to a new purpose, or a salvage wreck rebuilt with replacement body parts. The law gives the agency lots of authority to create rules to fulfill its mission.

I don't know if the DFA would charge you $30 as a Class 3 pleasure vehicle over 4501 pounds, or $39-$1350 as a Class 2-7 truck based on gross weight.

I strongly suggest going to a rural office instead of a big city, whenever possible. They always seem to be able to spend more time with each customer, and seem to have the ability to separate non-standard legitimate requests from B.S. Big city clerks probably have heard too much B.S. They look at the line behind you, and the manager behind them, and say "No. Next."

Good Luck.

(p.s. My after-school job for two years in high school was to drive to the DMV in the city every day, and stand in line in place of the customers of the local insurance agency. I quickly learned which clerks to line up for, and which to avoid.)
Just wondering if anyone went through with their registration in Arkansas. Would like to get my bus registered soon.

Thanks

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Old 08-09-2017, 10:11 PM   #4
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My Arkansas title says Body type MH. Meaning motor home. I have a V10 E450 shuttle bus not a school bus that I bought in Illinois. I got RV insurance possibly because my guy is cool. Everywhere I went I told them it was an RV. Same thing when I went to get my tags and showed them my RV insurance. No questions asked.
That's how I would go about it.
If you already have a vehicle or two and maybe some homeowners insurance with a company and are in good standing they probably want to help you out. That's my experience anyway.
I would not say to any insurance company that you're doing a self conversion.
When speaking to your insurance company say " I took all the seats out and threw a bed in the back. It's a recreational vehicle I'm going to use for camping in the summer."
Make it sound like you're hardly going to drive it. They'll assume little risk and you get cheaper insurance.
Good luck to you.
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Old 08-09-2017, 10:22 PM   #5
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My Arkansas title says Body type MH. Meaning motor home. I have a V10 E450 shuttle bus not a school bus that I bought in Illinois. I got RV insurance possibly because my guy is cool. Everywhere I went I told them it was an RV. Same thing when I went to get my tags and showed them my RV insurance. No questions asked.
That's how I would go about it.
If you already have a vehicle or two and maybe some homeowners insurance with a company and are in good standing they probably want to help you out. That's my experience anyway.
I would not say to any insurance company that you're doing a self conversion.
When speaking to your insurance company say " I took all the seats out and threw a bed in the back. It's a recreational vehicle I'm going to use for camping in the summer."
Make it sound like you're hardly going to drive it. They'll assume little risk and you get cheaper insurance.
Good luck to you.
If you don't mind asking, were you asked to show pictures of a completed bus or just word of mouth. I have Geico but haven't called them yet.
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Old 08-09-2017, 10:27 PM   #6
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I didn't notice this is a nine year old thred you gave new life. haha
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Old 08-09-2017, 10:30 PM   #7
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I wasn't asked.
I really believe this will only work smoothly if you go see someone in person.
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I wasn't asked.
I really believe this will only work smoothly if you go see someone in person.
I like to search old threads and resurrect them. It help a other find information if and when they search. Thanks again. Will report my experience.

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I like to search old threads and resurrect them. It help a other find information if and when they search. Thanks again. Will report my experience.

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