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Old 04-29-2016, 01:41 PM   #1
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Bring Her Home (Tips For The Maiden Voyage)

So, I have mostly been seeking out buses that happen to be out of state. I am wondering what tidbits one should keep in mind when bringing home the new addition. For example...

...if the bus still has all of its seats (more than 16 of them), do you need a CDL?

...is there a such a thing as temporary insurance for someone who is just transporting a vehicle?

...where temporary tags are concerned, should they be from your state of residence?

...is there a particular set to tools that may be smart to have with you?

...anything else that those of you with more experience would share with folks going to retrieve a bus for the first time?

As always, I can't think you all enough for your time and insight. Happy Friday!
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Ask your insurance agent.

if you have an auto policy with someone, there is typically a temporary coverage extended to a newly purchased vehicle.

Here in Colorado, you have 2 weeks from the date on the bill of sale, to get it home, covered by your primary auto insurance.

the recent bill of sale should satisfy any police officer as to lack of registration.

take tools for changing a battery or fuel filters. pliers, metric and sae socket set, big ass channel locks.

don't stop at weigh stations unless it says "rv's included". there is no need to explain your situation to anyone. your are converting the bus into an RV, so think like an RV, act like an RV. its going to be an rv as soon as you get home and register it.

good luck and enjoy the trip!!
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Ask your insurance agent.

if you have an auto policy with someone, there is typically a temporary coverage extended to a newly purchased vehicle.

Here in Colorado, you have 2 weeks from the date on the bill of sale, to get it home, covered by your primary auto insurance.

the recent bill of sale should satisfy any police officer as to lack of registration.

take tools for changing a battery or fuel filters. pliers, metric and sae socket set, big ass channel locks.

don't stop at weigh stations unless it says "rv's included". there is no need to explain your situation to anyone. your are converting the bus into an RV, so think like an RV, act like an RV. its going to be an rv as soon as you get home and register it.

good luck and enjoy the trip!!
Thanks! Looking into that temporary policy extension now... any idea about CDL requirements?
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You will need to check NC codes, but VA codes say you don't need a CDL if you're operating a vehicle purely for personal reasons such as recreation. Look under driver's license definitions and such rather than the CDL sections of your code: this is an exception which isn't handy or quoted if you're poking around the CDL parts (like the CDL handbook they give you).

I plan on spraying or putting black duct tape over the lights and signage, removing the stopsign, and neatly lettering, "Personal Use RV - not for hire" just under the driver's window.
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That's true, although the length of time seems to vary by state. Here in Oregon you have 30 days from the date of purchase to get it officially insured with your current agent, provided you have one. Until then your insurance card for your current/previous auto policy will usually suffice with a current recently dated bill of sale.

There's no two ways about it. You have to look it up for your state, or you can take someone's word for it.
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Although there are some who ARE knowledgeable about the requirements for licensing, i.e., CDL, the ULTIMATE authority is your state's DMV/MVD/State Police.
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I think the "ULTIMATE" would stand out better in red.

I still have to laugh when someone asks, because they get so many different answers for the next couple days, then they have to go to the DMV and find out anyway. Even in the same state interpretation of the rules seems to vary between individuals.
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I think the "ULTIMATE" would stand out better in red.

I still have to laugh when someone asks, because they get so many different answers for the next couple days, then they have to go to the DMV and find out anyway. Even in the same state interpretation of the rules seems to vary between individuals.
That's the truth! I got a 'gotta have a CDL' from the local DMV, and was corrected by reading the law and calling the state DMV.
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It's the only way. Half of are wrong about our own states. We call it a loose interpretation.
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CDL - commercial driver's license. Regulated by the federal DOT. Not needed for privately owned vehicles. No matter what anyone tells you, if you are not hauling something/ someone for compensation, you are not required to have it.

You can buy a brand new Peterbuilt and as long as not for hire, private vehicle is identified with a regular plate, again, no CDL is required. (Ask the retired truck drivers on here. They can tell you.)

HOWEVER, check with your state on air brake endorsement if you buy a skoolie with air brakes. Some states do require that.
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CDL - commercial driver's license. Regulated by the federal DOT. Not needed for privately owned vehicles. No matter what anyone tells you, if you are not hauling something/ someone for compensation, you are not required to have it.

You can buy a brand new Peterbuilt and as long as not for hire, private vehicle is identified with a regular plate, again, no CDL is required. (Ask the retired truck drivers on here. They can tell you.)

HOWEVER, check with your state on air brake endorsement if you buy a skoolie with air brakes. Some states do require that.
On that note... what should I know about air brakes, as far as how to use them (in contrast to your average hydraulic brakes)?
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On that note... what should I know about air brakes, as far as how to use them (in contrast to your average hydraulic brakes)?
Here's a start (from a noob who has only read about 'em): http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv60.pdf page 39ff.

I also found some YouTube 'pre-trip inspection' videos which touch on how to inspect air brakes. Here's an example:
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CDL - commercial driver's license. Regulated by the federal DOT. Not needed for privately owned vehicles. No matter what anyone tells you, if you are not hauling something/ someone for compensation, you are not required to have it.

You can buy a brand new Peterbuilt and as long as not for hire, private vehicle is identified with a regular plate, again, no CDL is required. (Ask the retired truck drivers on here. They can tell you.)

HOWEVER, check with your state on air brake endorsement if you buy a skoolie with air brakes. Some states do require that.
Hey, how dare you teach me something before 10:00 am.

You are quite correct sir. I had to look it up, but it goes like this;

Note: You do not need a CDL to operate a vehicle equipped with air brakes unless the vehicle otherwise meets the definition of a commercial motor vehicle.

All my life I have always been told that you must have an air brake endorsement to drive a vehicle with air brakes, otherwise known as a class B license. Of course that was probably information from school bus drivers. Apparently I'm legal and I didn't even know it until now. Some outlaw, huh?

From what I've read about other people's experience with international travel in buses, an air brake endorsement is needed as countries also vary in endorsement rules. As always, research.
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What's confusing me about air brakes now is we are being sold commercial insurance policies for a privately owned vehicle. I'm guessing we're overlooking that "commercial" word too casually. Does a commercial insurance policy for a private vehicle affect the requirements for air brakes? Not according to the state information.
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if you bought a commercial policy, its because you were unable to convince the insurance agent that it meets the requirements as a private vehicle. pre-conversion, a bus that seats more than 14 is most certainly a commercial vehicle.

there is a bus similar to mine, with air brakes. that has just passed though British Columbia, and up into Alaska.

in his blog, he only mentioned how quick he went through customs at the US border. no license problems, just kudos from the immigration folks about his bus.

check out his page here:
https://www.facebook.com/followalmanzo/
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No, I bought a commercial policy because it was the only insurance policy available to me. Actually it turned out to be a weird loophole that I qualified for because I'm not registered as an RV. Because I titled this as a "van" I was able to get the commercial policy for private use. Supposedly that's got to do with the gross weight of the vehicle, but I am under 25k.
I put in weeks looking for insurance after not being able to insure through my current insurance carrier at the time I bought the bus. Then a policy with Nationwide that was cancelled 10 days later, then a policy with State Farm that was cancelled about six weeks later.
If I were willing to have this bus converted professionally it would be insurable as an RV, but if it's an owner conversion the bus becomes a door stop. I do not understand why buses are being shunted into commercial policies but I am glad to still be driving legally. People are slowly being dropped from regular insurance policies. Kudos to those of you who are able to find insurance and actually keep it for now, but I think the writing is on the wall.
The rules change so much from state to state, then interpretation of those rules varies so much among people. I've been turned down by Progressive several times, hearing the statement of not being insurable. It all depends on who you talk to and how bull headed they are about knowing it all about insurance.
My last bastion of insurance, an independent agent, said I taught her something new with this policy and the phrase "commercial policy for private use" because she thought it was uninsurable.
State Farm doesn't want to refund my prorated policy cost now.
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I posted this elsewhere too but just to get it out there... Check out AIS and see if they can help. I spoke to them and they understood the situation almost immediately and had coverage options for me throughout the process - commercial vehicle coverage to get it home, incomplete conversion during the build and skoolies/RV coverage when it meets RV standards.

From talking to them, it sounds like the reason alot of insurers are dropping these vehicles from coverage is not the vehicle itself but the drivers... As in alot of people are buying school buses and driving them without any experience in a large vehicle and the liability claims are much higher due to the sheer size of the vehicle when it's involved in an accident.
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I would strongly agree with that. It's very easy to become an inexperienced driver of whatever size bus you want.
I finally landed on a Progressive commercial policy, although it seems kind of strange. I am insured, registered and titled as a "van". Insurance is reportedly not available for self converted RVs from buses in this state. That may be why so many people here use them as vans here.
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My advise about air brakes?

they work better than any other kind of hydraulic brakes (short of a racecar)

remember you are moving a valve, NOT pushing fluid..so you dont apply hard pressure, it is nice and easy...you will get the hang of it quickly

and make sure anything and everything is tied down and secure, because that big azz bus will stop faster than your POV
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I was told that self-converted SCHOOL busses arent insurable because they feel that converting them causes the weight distribution and center of gravity to change . sometimes drastically esp the busses that have lower GVWR's / smaller rear wheels..

a COACH conversion was insurable as an RV because it is typically a Heavier GVWR / suspension to begin with and so a conversion not done properly is not as much of a problem as in a skoolie done incorrectly..

while most people on this site think about things like weight distribution and safety in their builds.. there are apparently alot who dont..

that was what was told to me by an Agent.. an it may be also as others have pointed out.. the drivers.. however the driver argument would apply to a converted Coach as well as a skoolie as well as a commercially built Coach RV..

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