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Old 08-12-2019, 12:22 PM   #1131
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forums like this are great but you need to look into thing real hard wasnt it you marc who was harping on people because you thought everywhere was like your state and how easy it was for you to register in your home state .. and stop with telling everyone how your keeping your title because you dont like how vt does it its an a$$ move there are things called previous title and previous reg numbers stop advising title fraud
How is it title fraud? I own a title to a bus, Vt. does not need a title or reissue one. That does not make my title invalid. When I go to sell my bus, the Ga. title is as valid as any other. Maybe you could qoute me a statute saying I'm wrong.

Am I required to destroy my title when I register in Vt.?
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:06 PM   #1132
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How is it title fraud? I own a title to a bus, Vt. does not need a title or reissue one. That does not make my title invalid. When I go to sell my bus, the Ga. title is as valid as any other. Maybe you could qoute me a statute saying I'm wrong.

Am I required to destroy my title when I register in Vt.?
Difference is Vermont's registration is a transferable registration, meaning that it is not just registration that gives you the right to drive it on the road but also proof of ownership.

The title is proof of ownership, once you register it in Vermont your title becomes invalid because their registration is proof of ownership. When you think about it can you imagine having 2 different proofs of ownership? One must supersede the other. Besides one now says motorhome and the other says bus, which is it? I am assuming motorhome, so the proof of ownership that goes with motorhome is the correct one.

In Georgia and any other "title" state the title is only proof of ownership and the registration is only permission to drive it.
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:09 PM   #1133
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Difference is Vermont's registration is a transferable registration, meaning that it is not just registration that gives you the right to drive it on the road but also proof of ownership.

The title is proof of ownership, once you register it in Vermont your title becomes invalid because their registration is proof of ownership. When you think about it can you imagine having 2 different proofs of ownership? One must supersede the other. Besides one now says motorhome and the other says bus, which is it? I am assuming motorhome, so the proof of ownership that goes with motorhome is the correct one.

In Georgia and any other "title" state the title is only proof of ownership and the registration is only permission to drive it.
I'm still looking for the fraud I committed by keeping my title? I had a MH registration before it was a MH, is that registration the correct one, or the one that says it's a bus?
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Old 08-12-2019, 07:28 PM   #1134
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The most recent of each category - proof of ownership vs registration - is the valid one.

VT's being a combination, supercedes both.

There is nothing fraudulent about hanging on to old outdated records, but next time you switch the vehicle's "virtual home" to another state, they will most likely ask you to surrender the most recent valid title.

To prevent fraudulent usage.
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Old 08-13-2019, 08:30 AM   #1135
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Keeping the title is not the fraud part. You stated that when you decide to sell the bus you will use your ga title which in fact is now a null and void document due to the fact your new legal ownership papers are within the state of vt
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:53 AM   #1136
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Still not fraud, legally requires fraudulent intent.
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Old 08-13-2019, 01:13 PM   #1137
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Well he stated in a previous post when he decides to sell the bus he will use the ga title which is using an invalid legal document to transfer vehicle ownership. Maybe there is some other fun legal term for it but it seems to be fraud
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Old 08-13-2019, 04:49 PM   #1138
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In practice, if nobody loses, he gains nothing extra from the deception, "no harm no foul", in effect unlikely to be any prosecution.

Even if detection were more likely rather than less.

The average USian commits three felonies a day without even being aware, so being practical about little issues like this will bring more peace of mind than nit picking.
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We as skoolie owners have enough troubles with titles and registration that we do not need to end up being stuck with a bus sold without valid ownership papers. So I would hope if Marc were to ever sell the bus he would give the Vermont papers, and if he felt the old no longer valid title should go with it fine, but not the other way around. It is really all I am asking.
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Old 08-13-2019, 08:04 PM   #1140
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We as skoolie owners have enough troubles with titles and registration that we do not need to end up being stuck with a bus sold without valid ownership papers. So I would hope if Marc were to ever sell the bus he would give the Vermont papers, and if he felt the old no longer valid title should go with it fine, but not the other way around. It is really all I am asking.
I have a PA title for my bus and a VT registration. I'm not convinced that the transferrable VT registration renders my PA title void - to my knowledge, nobody here has confirmed this one way or another in communication with Vermont's or any other state's DMV (I will happily be corrected if someone has gotten affirmation of this and I've missed it in the 400 or so pages of this thread). If VT had intended for my VT registration to replace my title, they would have requested the original title instead of a copy, like they do for vehicles younger than 15 years where they actually provide a new title as well as the registration.

I am just speculating, however. I will find out from PennDOT whether my PA title or VA registration is the ownership document of record when I am finished with my conversion and ready to title and register it as a motorhome in PA. If I had to sell the bus instead, I would sign over both the title and the VT transferrable registration and the buyer (poor fool he or she) could use whichever worked for them.
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