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Old 06-07-2018, 01:23 PM   #1
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No insurance required!!!

Hi,
So, I've been doing some reading and I found something that I'm a little curious about. Texas Transportation Code 601.051 states,

"A person may not operate a motor vehicle in this state unless financial responsibility is established for that vehicle..."

And then 601.052 states,

"Section 601.051 does not apply to:
(1) the operation of a motor vehicle that:
(A) is a former military vehicle or is at least 25 years old;..."

Does that mean if my Skoolie is 25 yrs old I don't need insurance? If that's the case, seeing as how mine is a 1994, and I probably won't be done with the conversion for a year, I may not need insurance by the time it's finished.

Any other states have provisions like this?
https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/transpo...t-601-051.html
https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/transpo...t-601-052.html
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:37 PM   #2
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(1) the operation of a motor vehicle that:

(A) is a former military vehicle or is at least 25 years old;

(B) is used only for exhibitions, club activities, parades, and other functions of public interest and not for regular transportation; and

(C) for which the owner files with the department an affidavit, signed by the owner, stating that the vehicle is a collector's item and used only as described by Paragraph (B);

The way I read it, you are exempt if you meet A, B and C.

It is not entirely clear.
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:41 PM   #3
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You'll need to check deeper. I can guarantee you can't drive on the roads of America without insurance or prove "Financial Responsibility" by having a bond or account set up with a minimum amount of dough in it.

I think the catch in your links is all 3- A,B,and C have to be met.
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:55 PM   #4
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(1) the operation of a motor vehicle that:

(A) is a former military vehicle or is at least 25 years old;

(B) is used only for exhibitions, club activities, parades, and other functions of public interest and not for regular transportation; and

(C) for which the owner files with the department an affidavit, signed by the owner, stating that the vehicle is a collector's item and used only as described by Paragraph (B);

The way I read it, you are exempt if you meet A, B and C.

It is not entirely clear.

Ahh, you are correct. I missed that pesky "; and"

All that being said, we should start a club! Or exhibit our skoolies to the bears in the forest. In all seriousness though, as my skoolie will not be intended for "regular transportation", I wonder if I can get away with it?
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:59 PM   #5
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Club activities to include;

1. Camping in as many National and State Parks as possible.
2. Educating the public on the merits of school bus conversions.

Hmmm... Seriously I wonder if this would work. Obviously not for full-timers, but for those of us who won't be "regularly transporting," I think it might.

Now to find out if there are any stipulations on starting a club here in Texas.
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Old 06-07-2018, 02:00 PM   #6
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You do realize you're wasting your time even researching this, get insurance and be done with it.
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Old 06-07-2018, 02:15 PM   #7
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You do realize you're wasting your time even researching this, get insurance and be done with it.
Wow, that's pretty dismissive? There are lots of car clubs out there that do a whole lot of "club activities." Those activities include meetups, car shows, rallys, etc...

There might be enough pre-1994 skoolie owners in TX to warrant something like this. As I stated, it obviously wouldn't apply to full-timers. Many owners I'm sure only use them occasionally. Would a yearly skoolie meet up meet the requirements that the state has set forth? IDK, It was just a thought.

And yes, I will be getting insurance. Because, obviously the state knows what's best for me and everything the state tells me to do is for my own good, and it doesn't matter if they enforce their rules at the point of a gun, "They're from the government, and they're here to help me."
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And yes, I will be getting insurance. Because, obviously the state knows what's best for me and everything the state tells me to do is for my own good, and it doesn't matter if they enforce their rules at the point of a gun, "They're from the government, and they're here to help me."
I think (in terms of practicality) the bigger issue is getting in an accident and losing your house or life savings due to an injury. Not worth the risk, IMO.
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Old 06-07-2018, 02:27 PM   #9
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I think (in terms of practicality) the bigger issue is getting in an accident and losing your house or life savings due to an injury. Not worth the risk, IMO.

I know, It is more just an thought exercise in "how can I legally get away with doing something the state doesn't want me to do."

Yes, I will be getting insurance, because I believe in personal responsibility. Obviously I don't want to drain my 401k to pay for someone else's medical bills.
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Wow, that's pretty dismissive? There are lots of car clubs out there that do a whole lot of "club activities." Those activities include meetups, car shows, rallys, etc...

There might be enough pre-1994 skoolie owners in TX to warrant something like this. As I stated, it obviously wouldn't apply to full-timers. Many owners I'm sure only use them occasionally. Would a yearly skoolie meet up meet the requirements that the state has set forth? IDK, It was just a thought.

And yes, I will be getting insurance. Because, obviously the state knows what's best for me and everything the state tells me to do is for my own good, and it doesn't matter if they enforce their rules at the point of a gun, "They're from the government, and they're here to help me."
If you towed it to the parade or event. In an organized parade you might get away with driving it during the parade. I doubt you would be able to use it anywhere else. Once you're out of the parade or event and hit the road, you become a regular transport. How many Skoolies do you think are out there that are built and only used to show once a year?
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