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Old 12-12-2014, 05:01 PM   #1
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North Carolina blues

Hey, I've been talking with NC DMV about my prospective new bus (1993 11 window) and they are telling me I need a CDL with Passenger endorsement to drive my bus because its DESIGN is a bus...regardless of weight, brake type, personal intent for the bus, etc.

This seems unrealistic and I wonder if I'm saying the wrong words (without actually lying) or not asking the right questions.

Anyone from NC who can offer insight into navigating the thicket of bureaucracy here would be greatly appreciated.

Also, prospective bus is located in GA.
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Old 12-13-2014, 05:13 PM   #2
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Re: North Carolina blues

Judging from most state regulations say, if it is titled as a "school bus" then yes you need a cdl license if you get stopped, so your goal like the rest of us is to make enough changes to the bus so you can get it re-titled as a RV, you will have to dig through the regs to see what must be done to make it an RV, in texas it is the county tax assessor collector that can change a vehicle title so if you have such an entity in your state their regs would be where you would want to start, do a search to see if anyone from your state has posted how they did it,
Most states allow a vehicle with a gvwr of less than about 26000lbs to drive with a regular drivers license, if the weight is over that then you need a "non cdl" truck type license, if it has air brakes then that usually requires a quick test to add it to your license,
Now realistically if you have a recent bill of sale and have painted over the school bus lettering and have only your family in the bus then if you get pulled over most cops will not cite you for having the wrong license, take this advice for what you paid for it
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Old 01-04-2015, 10:36 AM   #4
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Anyone re titled their coach in NC? would love some specifics. I've looked at the NC Title Manual but don't see the specific steps to take (just that an "RV has four or more of...").
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I would email the nc.gov and for a specif list to go by, for converting and old bus into a camper/RV

that is what I did, and found out there was NO such list for TN...shocker hugh? I wondered why I got 10 different answers from 10 different people
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Wondering if you made any progress on this. We're in NC and are doing the preliminary research. We're trying to figure out the licensing and insurance.
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Old 03-01-2015, 09:15 AM   #7
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I would email the nc.gov and for a specif list to go by, for converting and old bus into a camper/RV

that is what I did, and found out there was NO such list for TN...shocker hugh? I wondered why I got 10 different answers from 10 different people

Bansil, there IS a list because I got it for the Eagle which was tagged & titled as a motorhome in TN. I had to go to the Dept of Safety. I would have to find the e-Mail later (gotta go to work) but found this on a search thru BNO just now.

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What state are you in? Every state is different. In TN all we needed to do was prepare a written and notarized statement saying that we had sleeping facilities, cooking facilities and toilet facilities. No one looked at it. Our Eagle is now licensed as a motorhome. I have heard others place sleeping bag or air mattress (sleeping facilities), a gas grill or even an electric hot plate, I guess a microwave would also apply (cooking facilities) and a self-contained porti-potti (toilet facilities). These things do not need to stay in it. They can be borrowed and removed. But this does not apply to all states.
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:21 AM   #8
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Still in progress here in NC.

Here is the deal so far. We insured our coach as a 'bus' and had to buy commercial insurance at the rate of $800-1200 per year. Quotes suggest that a 'house car' (as such things are classified in NC) insurance would be starting closer to $500/year.

A non-commercial bus does not require a CDL but (depending upon GVWR...over 26,001 lbs) may require a Class B which is a similar test (study book is the cdl one). You will need to pass the written test and then pass a driving test within 90 days; and provide your own vehicle for the driving portion.

The DMV said that you can schedule a site visit (no charge) to have the bus inspected for a retitle from bus to 'house car' and you will need to sign an affidavit of changes. It appears that the inspector basically uses the affidavit as a checklist. Your changes must meet four of the six criteria for 'house car' and give them the "impression of permanency" which was their way of saying they were looking for signs that you won't be hauling that stuff back out to make room for paying customers after they leave. The six criteria are fairly concrete but there is still plenty of room for discretion on the part of the inspector so it would pay to talk to someone at the office you will schedule with. Also, you'll need to provide access to the unadulterated VIN for inspectors use (VIN is in 3 different places on our coach). I called our local office and got a lot of guidance as we discussed his particular reading of each of the six criteria...he was very patient.

You can download the NC title manual here: https://connect.ncdot.gov/business/D...s/default.aspx
open it and do a CTL-F to search for 'house' as a key term. you'll quickly find the section (in Ch 2) on titling a house car with the aforementioned list of six there.

We have discovered that the tricky part is the practice driving. After you pass the written test, it appears you'll need to find/hire someone with a class B P-endorsement (again depending upon GVWR) to ride with you while you drive and possibly go with you down to the DMV to deliver the bus for your test drive. In my area, there are lots of beer bus drivers with free time in the winter...also you could call the school bus garage to ask for names. All of the mechanics have the appropriates and, of course, all the drivers. Drivers are paid about ~ $13.00/hr to deliver kids, FYI.

Final piece of advisement: don't call the office in Raleigh...they will quickly shuffle you to the CDL office and you will be told you need one. You don't. If you chose to go that route, you would have a tougher test and penalties for traffic violations (even those not occurring in your coach) would be double...also the legally drunk blood level drops to 0.04 from 0.08. Call your local tag office instead. If that fails, call the office in Asheville (82 251-6065.
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Sorry I just found this but I have a skoolie in n.c. And by law as long as the combined weight finished is under 25,999 you don't have to have a CDL. I have air brakes and seven seat belt's have been insured and registered for 4- year's. The only new thing I have had to deal with was inspection last year I had to do a full DOT inspection and get a fuel tax sticker from the inspector installed under the driver's window. That took inspection cost from 13$-54$ but no CDL or Chaffer's license required. Almost done but not registered as an RV and a CDL is not required by the school system for the people that drive our children daily?
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Old 03-01-2015, 03:36 PM   #10
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Oh yes....if you drive a school bus for NC you will need a cdl and an s endorsement as well which is what makes them candidates (over qualified but still legal) for riding with you during practice drives prior to taking class B driving test. You will not need a cdl for personal vehicles (such as my bus). However, class of license required is based on GVWR (the maximum your vehicle COULD carry...not actual weight). Smaller buses may not need a class B; mine is a 44 passenger BB with GVWR of 31K therefore, all stated above is my pleasure.

If one has not yet purchased, it is valuable to know/understand how GVWR factors into legal requirements unless one has already decided on a particular minimum.
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