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Old 10-22-2004, 04:18 PM   #21
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Glad I don't live in SC anymore. Our bus would still be untagged.
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Old 10-22-2004, 05:41 PM   #22
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SC Titling Info (continued)

Here is the response I received in answer to follow up questions based on the information posted above ( SCDMV answers in boldface ) :

surrender the old "school bus" title, and y'all provide a new "Motor Home"
title after processing the paperwork, correct? Yes

Would it be satisfactory to present a notebook with copies of all receipts
for materials used in the conversion? yes, we only need copies of receipts

Do you have any information on what the inspector will be inspecting? Is
he/she just checking to see if the changes indicated on form 4038 have been
made, or are there specific items that will be inspected? I really do not
know, you may contact the Dealer Licensing Unit and possibly they can put
you in contact with one of our agents. (803) 896-2611
[Phone number updated 04/20/05 -- This is the state office, which will give you the number of a local inspector.]

By "current year", I understand you to mean that if I convert the bus in
2005, the converted vehicle will be titled as a 2005 motor home, and that I
should not use the year the bus was originally manufactured on the form. Is that correct? yes

It is interesting that the model year would be changed from the year of the bus's manufacture to the year of the bus's conversion. I am not sure how that would affect taxation or how they would value the converted bus.

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Old 10-23-2004, 08:38 AM   #23
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It is interesting that the model year would be changed from the year of the bus's manufacture to the year of the bus's conversion. I am not sure how that would affect taxation or how they would value the converted bus.

This is what the commercial bus converters do. Everytime you see a "brand new" current year conversion, you are actually looking at a bus conversion that is sitting on a chassis that is anywhere from 3 to 10 years old. I think Marathon uses the newest Prevost coaches and they are usually 5 yrs old.[/quote]
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I took my title from Illinois into the local DMV and told them I needed to register my motorhome. The guy behind the counter asked my what weight plates I needed and that was it. No inspection nothing. The old title still said bus on it.
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Old 12-08-2004, 12:17 PM   #25
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Arizona motor home definition:
(from http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/28/04301.htm)
20. "Motor home" means a motor vehicle that is primarily designed as temporary living quarters and that:

(a) Is built onto as an integral part of, or is permanently attached to, a motor vehicle chassis.

(b) Contains at least four of the following independent life support systems if each is permanently installed and designed to be removed only for purposes of repair or replacement:

(i) A cooking facility with an on board fuel source.

(ii) A gas or electric refrigerator.

(iii) A toilet with exterior evacuation.

(iv) A heating or air conditioning system with an on board power or fuel source separate from the vehicle engine.

(v) A potable water supply system that includes at least a sink, a faucet and a water tank with an exterior service supply connection.

(vi) A 110-125 volt electric power supply.
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Old 12-16-2004, 12:28 AM   #26
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California's exemptions are...

Are there any exemptions to being required to have California CDL?
Yes, a few . . .
1. Active Duty Military . . . with military licenses operating military vehicles.
2. Firefighters . . . meeting approved training standards and operating authorized emergency vehicles.
3. Farmers . . . in certain cases.
4. Individuals ....operating motor homes or other vehicles used exclusively to transport personal possessions or family members, for nonbusiness purposes.

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Old 03-15-2005, 10:29 AM   #27
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canadian requirements.

I live in Calgary Alberta and just jumped through our own set of hoops. I contacted a number of insurance companies and brokers until I found one willing to insure (liability, not anything else) my 85 gmc schoolie. They require the seats to be removed. That's it. Oh and my word that I was converting it. I love Canada. They just took my word for it. I had already removed the seats and installed a living area (not just a hot plate, buckets and a sleeping bag) and I was faxed insurance. I took my insurance papers to the registry and was given a new non-comercial liscense plate with stickers. I was legal now. I had inquired prior to buying the bus about this process and contacted my insurance company, registry, RCMP (police) and transport canada to ensure I was able to go ahead with my plans. The last thing I wanted was to be stuck with a bus that needed to be insured as a comercial vehicle ($4600 yr in insurance). So, the catch for me was finding the insurance company that would carry my policy. I am glad I have a perfect driving record, otherwise that may have been an issue. The company was ING byt the way. -Richard
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Old 03-23-2005, 10:00 PM   #28
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I may have been lucky, but here in OH, we can get an out of state vehicle inspected at a dealership before we get a new title. So I took my empty bus on a really cold day. The guy looked out the window at the yellow school bus and said, "Ya goin to the races?" And just gave me the inspection with out even going outside.

Though it didnt meet any of the requirements then, they're slowly getting checked off now
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Old 03-24-2005, 12:44 AM   #29
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SC requirements

(Read the above information I posted about SC in order to fully understand this post.)

I got in touch with the Dealer Services Division inspector for my county and queried him on the inspection process that must be completed before submitting photographs and copies of receits to SCDMV for re-titling the bus as a motor home.

Here is the inspection process:

He checks to see if the VIN on the bus matches the title.

That's it.

He's not inspecting the work or the conversion or whether you have specific items installed in the bus (fridge, stove, bed, whatever). He's just making sure that the VIN on the bus matches the VIN on the title.

Some inspection! (But I'll take it, as it gives me less to worry about.)

So for skoolie converters in SC, the process is this (as best as I can tell):

** Pre-purchase, and ongoing: maintain a log of improvements and keep copies of receipts for all purchases -- this is required to document things with SCDMV.

1 Buy bus.

2 Take bill of sale to SCDMV to prove transaction took place.

3 Pay SCDMV $5 for a temporary tag (45 day life).

4 Somewhere in this process get insurance (still waiting on a quote from GMAC).

5 Go to pick up bus -- put temporary tag on bus.

6 (Not positive about this part...it's more of a CYA thing for transporting the bus with all those passenger seats in it.) Put sign on both sides of bus saying, "Not for Hire". I've seen that some people do this permanently, and also put "Capacity 15", since 15 passengers or less means that no CDL is required **on a bus** -- RVs are exempt. I'm not sure that I'll put the "Capacity 15" on the bus while transporting it with seats, because it would look obviously untrue, and might invite trouble.

7 Get conversion done (or at least some minimal amount that makes it look done -- you can improve on it later) well within 45 day time frame of the temporary tag lifespan.

8 Take conversion documentation and title and appropriate paperwork (see above) to SCDMV to have new title issued.

9 Once bus is titled, pay property tax with county treasurer in order to license plate issued (SC has one rear plate).

That should be it. That's what was explained to me, anyway...we'll see...

I'm going to look into getting a SKOOLIE plate, but I'm not sure if you can put vanity plates on an RV, as I have this recollection that they are only available for cars in SC.
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I know there are several people on this board from Iowa (including the original poster of this thread) so I was wondering if somebody could help me out.

Unlike most people here, I'm not looking into converting my bus (which I don't have yet) into an RV or motorhome. I'm more interested in converting it into a private school bus/party bus.

I have two scenario's in my head:

1. A modest bus (kind of rag-tag) that I use for road trips. All the seats would be ripped out and it wouldn't cart around more than 15 passengers at a time. How would I go about getting this registered with the Iowa DOT? I have no desire to meet 4 of the 6 requirements to get it registered as a motor home. Also, how do the insurance rates compare between RV/Motorhomes and "private buses"?

2. My second scenario is a little off the wall. It's to invest significantly in the bus initially so I get a REALLY nice skoolie and then rent it out as a party bus to try and make my money back. This would be mainly for proms, tailgating, holiday light tours, etc. If I did it this way I was going to put in 4 identical 3 seat leather couches and two really nice leather recliners. Refloor it with a really nice wooden floor or laminate and spring for a few other extra's (I have a projector I thought of putting in there with a pull-down screen, surround sound, etc). Anyway, I would assume this would be a commercial vehicle and I'd have to get a CDL and probably a chauffers license. I also assume insurance would go way up. Is there any way I could register it as a private school bus and just not allow more than 15 passengers on it at a time? Also, would this mean that all my friends would have to get a CDL as well just to drive it on the summer road trips? If someone could link me the proper pages of the Iowa DOT website it would be much appreciated.

I just need a few pointers before I decide to take the plunge.

Thanks guys, you've been an inspiration already!
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