Traveling Skoolie "kids" &/or truckers... bus height question.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

yeah cruise is on so I can get up and cook my lunch and take a break from driving..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUEDVMOMY24

[Brewerbob]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

yeah cruise is on so I can get up and cook my lunch and take a break from driving..

You laugh but your sun visor now says cruise control is not auto pilot because some guy sued (and won) against Winnebago because his RV crashed when he went and made a sammich while on cruise control.

[cadillackid]

Originally Posted by Brewerbob

You laugh but your sun visor now says cruise control is not auto pilot because some guy sued (and won) against Winnebago because his RV crashed when he went and made a sammich while on cruise control.

ive looked all over for that and it seems that the said case isnt real.. however manufacturers got scared and put that on the visoirs anyway.. theres tons of buzz around that story in variuous forms with different names for decades now..

the lacking thing is any real case records related to it other than media posts or forum posts, blogs, etc..
-Christopher

[Tango]

That story goes at least as far back as when we were training Iranian fighter pilots in Florida. That's where I first heard it.

[Brewerbob]

I heard it from the step father who worked for the FL lemon law. Seraching just now I found a "news" article but it's one of the sources that Snopes used. I doubt there is a way to check all court records naming Winnebago without going thru every single county.

Winnebago driver case shows truth behind frivolous lawsuit claims - News - Sarasota Herald-Tribune - Sarasota, FL.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Brewerbob

You laugh but your sun visor now says cruise control is not auto pilot because some guy sued (and won) against Winnebago because his RV crashed when he went and made a sammich while on cruise control.

Alright, I admit.... it was me. It's how I still fund my lavish lifestyle.

[Brewerbob]

Originally Posted by Tango

That story goes at least as far back as when we were training Iranian fighter pilots in Florida. That's where I first heard it.

They got sued by employees for pension and I'm seeig some regular lemon law stuff. Most of which is out of state, Winnebago lost those.

[cadillackid]

lemon law stuff is everywhere.. all vehicle companies end up with those... not sure why they let it go to court these days.. as its a known fact a few vhicles out of 10s of 1000s will be defective in major ways...
-Christopher

[Brewerbob]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

lemon law stuff is everywhere.. all vehicle companies end up with those... not sure why they let it go to court these days.. as its a known fact a few vhicles out of 10s of 1000s will be defective in major ways...
-Christopher

Same source but Subaru didn't/doesn't. I dunno if that was nation wide or just FL and OH; the two states he was involved with. Pretty sure he had national numbers as part of the survey he and my mom were doing. I'd have to go back and look at the survey stats. Mom needed help with Excel.

P.S. That's not to imply that Subaru doesn't make junk. They just make junk that will go 100k miles before falling apart and when they don't they don't let it go to court. Brow beating customers is one way to keep it from going to court. Not the preferred method but still effective.

[cadillackid]

yeah lemon law is limited to the newest mnths / miles of a vehicle's life..

so in ohio your qualifying defects have to occur all within 12 months or 18,000 miles. anything outside of that and the lemon law doesnt apply..

and of coruse as most things legal it turns gray.. ie you have a few defects in the 12k / 18k period.. you file for lemon law protection, the manufacturer makes what appears like adequete repairs (ohio law states the manufacturer is given the chance to fix the defects again). (the defect no longer occurs).. yet at 27K and 21 months the defect re-appears...

when I lemoned a wrangler.. the case was clear cut that the Jeep had serious issues that several dealers were unable to fix.. so chrysler came to the plate before it ever went to the point of filing a legal suit... they replaced the vehicle..
-Christopher

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

yeah lemon law is limited to the newest mnths / miles of a vehicle's life..

so in ohio your qualifying defects have to occur all within 12 months or 18,000 miles. anything outside of that and the lemon law doesnt apply..

and of coruse as most things legal it turns gray.. ie you have a few defects in the 12k / 18k period.. you file for lemon law protection, the manufacturer makes what appears like adequete repairs (ohio law states the manufacturer is given the chance to fix the defects again). (the defect no longer occurs).. yet at 27K and 21 months the defect re-appears...

when I lemoned a wrangler.. the case was clear cut that the Jeep had serious issues that several dealers were unable to fix.. so chrysler came to the plate before it ever went to the point of filing a legal suit... they replaced the vehicle..
-Christopher

I learned how meaningless and weak the "lemon laws" in FL are when I bought this POS Subaru.
No new car should burn a quart of oil every 1200-2000 miles. Since new.

[Brewerbob]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

so in ohio your qualifying defects have to occur all within 12 months or 18,000 miles. anything outside of that and the lemon law doesnt apply..
-Christopher

Some of that might vary but I'm willing to bet it was a copy/paste between FL and OH for all of the rest of it. He wrote the codes, statutes, laws, whatever for both.

[Brewerbob]

Originally Posted by EastCoastCB

I learned how meaningless and weak the "lemon laws" in FL are when I bought this POS Subaru.
No new car should burn a quart of oil every 1200-2000 miles. Since new.

Everything documented? I can ask mom what you should do about it. She might have contacts. Tho don't hold your breath, she has an Outback with the same issue.

Email sent.

[EastCoastCB]

Originally Posted by Brewerbob

Everything documented? I can ask mom what you should do about it. She might have contacts. Tho don't hold your breath, she has an Outback with the same issue.

Email sent.

I'm so close to paying it off now, I'm just gonna wait and sell it the day I get the loan paid off.
The fact that a base model 03 dodge cargo van is better built, uses no oil, and is more comfortable has me not wanting anything Subaru anymore. Our old GL wagon went forever.
These new subarus are just a nightmare.
Its crazy that when facing long drives we find ourselves choosing the van over the Crosstrek EVERY TIME. But its more comfy even without air. A two thousand dollar used van from GovDeals is infinitely better than a new subaru. What a world we live in.

[cadillackid]

id agree on the van if it had air conditioning.. its those long road trips on the freeways where the noise and hot wind or worse hot humid rain make it less than comfortable to drive..

yeah the new subarus arent the old ones thsts for sure.. I klnow of plenty still driving 80s and 90s subarus with 250k+ miles.. and i hear of all kinds of people with 2009+ subarus with 50K having Major internal engine issues or clutches, things that just shouldnt break..

I realize by leasing my cars I always end up with a payment.. However am I really any worse off than someone who Puircjhases a new car only to have to put all kinds of repair money into it as soon as the warranty wears off..

your dodge van will probably run forever.. those have a good reputation in the last couple years of their production..

theres one of those for sale down the street from me.. its a 99.. everything works perfectly.. 15 passenger window van (A/C) with a 360 in it, school only wants $1800 for it... its tempting.
-Christopher

[Brewerbob]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

I realize by leasing my cars I always end up with a payment.. However am I really any worse off than someone who Puirchases a new car only to have to put all kinds of repair money into it as soon as the warranty wears off..
-Christopher

Who does that? When the car is paid off, it's gone as soon as I get the first major bill.

[cadillackid]

Originally Posted by Brewerbob

Who does that? When the car is paid off, it's gone as soon as I get the first major bill.

I know alot of people who seem to have that ill fate.. buy a car.. celebrate paying it off early only to have some computer piece break at 41000 miles and end up with a $1600 repair bill..

I suppose they are still ahead of me who leases.. I turn them in at the end of the lease (which very often is right at about the end of the full warranty).. and I get a new one...
wait i get a new one that sits around all the time because im always driving my school busses... LOL
-Christopher

[Twigg]

Originally Posted by cadillackid

I know alot of people who seem to have that ill fate.. buy a car.. celebrate paying it off early only to have some computer piece break at 41000 miles and end up with a $1600 repair bill..

I suppose they are still ahead of me who leases.. I turn them in at the end of the lease (which very often is right at about the end of the full warranty).. and I get a new one...
wait i get a new one that sits around all the time because im always driving my school busses... LOL
-Christopher

I always had the philosophy of "buy recent used (3 years old), keep at least 10 years".

At that point I have hopefully had about 10 years of the cheapest motoring available, and the cars owe me nothing.

In '05 we bought an '04 Taurus for $9k. It was 18 months old. It's now done 100k with only regular servicing, a new heater core and new torque convetor. I did that work myself, so it was cheap. Still driving that one.

In '06 we paid $6000 for a 1999 WindStar. It now has 130k and daughter is driving it. I did head gasket and it had to have a reman. transmission. Transmission was $3000, but without it the car was scrap value. We couldn't buy another equivalent vehicle for 3 grand, so we had the work done. We have 30k on new transmission so that worked out, but Ford do a crap job with transmissions, and we won't buy another.

I've had my Yamaha FJR1300 for three years. It's an '05 that I have put 50k miles on with no more than routine maintenance and some upgrades. Dost me $2500 and owes me nothing. I've restored two other motorcycles and sold them at a profit.

You can keep motoring costs down and still have decent transport, if you are prepared to get your hands dirty.

[Brewerbob]

I'm not as baller as Chris. I'm closer to Twigg I think. For a used car, I get skiddish around 40~50k. My theory is a car is only good for 100k. 100,001 is gravy. I've had a couple fall short of that. I've only had one that went over but it is/was a Lancer with 221k on the original timing belt even. It needs a new clutch throwout bearing, possibly tranny. Engine still runs great..

So, I'm not buying a 3 yr old car with +70K miles even tho the math would suggest highway miles. I'm damn sure not buying a 7 yr old car with 70k miles. Hopefully, I get a few yrs between payoff and death.

I'm also old school and refuse to have a car payment over $300 a month. The TDI wagon is $307. Only reason it was that low is Diesel Gate. I drive 25K to 35K a year so Chris' leases are out of the question.

[PNW_Steve]

I am with Twigg.

The last brand new car I bought was in 1987. It was a lemon and was worn out to the point that I had to replace it before I had it payed off.

Now I buy low miles used cars and drive them until they become less reliable than I can tolerate. Currently a 2002 with 99k miles and a 2004 with 150k miles. Maintaining two vehicles over the last 10 years, including oil changes, tires etc, has cost us almost $5k. That works out to about $20 a month per car.