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Old 12-09-2014, 12:23 AM   #11
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Re: 1934 Wayne Daysailer

Wheels and Axles -

Major part of the re-build and keeping the original look are wheels, tires, and axles. The problem is keeping the narrow track width. First off, the tires need to be narrow and tall. Original sized tires are an option from Coker tire, but they're expensive and biased ply. The other problem is fitting the old lug pattern 20" wheel to modern axles (disc brakes). I looked into re-drilling the vintage wheel for modern 8 or 10 lug and also considered cutting out the center and welding in a new bolt circle, but decided for safety sake, a newer wheel would be better. The old wheels are split-rim too. The best modern fit to the old 6.5 or 7.0 x 20 tire is the 8 x 19.5 motorhome tire. This is a radial that still can be purchased without too much trouble. For wheels, every problem is solved with the 19.5 bread van wheels that bolt directly on to 8 lug axles. To get the track width right, I measured a lot of different rigs - regular vans, older pick-ups, newer pick-ups, independent suspension, solid axle etc. to find a suitable donor. The trick is using a 1980's solid 4x4 front axle - not dually. It is the perfect width when using dually 19.5 wheels. Most 2WD rigs are independent suspension or, if not, are old to the point of having drum brakes. I'm using a donor 1988 Suburban with the standard Dana 44 front axle and disc brakes. Arguably, it may be a tad light duty for the bus, but the bus wont be incredibly heavy. In the rear, I got an axle from an 80's cab/chassis truck. It is 2" narrower than the standard dually axle and will be just right under the bus.

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Old 12-09-2014, 10:01 AM   #12
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Re: 1934 Wayne Daysailer

Just for the record --- The narrow 6 x 19.5" Chevy C3500 HD rims from around '98 match the 10 log pattern you have perfectly. The main difference being that the center hole is a half inch larger in diameter. This is critical as both rims are "hub centric" meaning it is the hub, not the lugs that keep it in the correct position. I made adapter rings so that they fit my '46 front axle. Also check the wheel stud size. Most later models (like the C3500) use a slightly larger lug bolt & nut but fitting the larger lugs is pretty easy. A local machine shop did mine.

Like you, I really wanted to keep the old tall & narrow wheels but there were just too many rational arguments against the idea. OK if all you ever do is drive it in parades twice a year but not if you plan on doing much traveling in your rig.

BTW...Bridgestone makes the tallest and narrowest tires for the rims I have and may have something similar for yours. The tallest I could find works out to 33.6". Definitely shorter than the originals but at least it doesn't look like a lowrider.
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:15 PM   #13
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I battled the same problem and ended up reducing the wheel well openings front and back to match the 215/85 X 16 wheels I used. The new wheels have the same design as the originals right down to the lug pattern of my '35. Unless an original truck was parked next to the bus, no one would even look twice. Jack
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Old 12-09-2014, 04:56 PM   #14
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Very Trick Set-Up! --- Duallies up front and Triples in the rear!

BTW...has anyone else noticed the use of 24" wide tires on a lot of big rig trailers lately? Apparently they are using them now in place of duallies. Gotta wonder about that since trailers routinely blow tires. At least with a dually set up you are still up and running on the "other" tire.
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:36 PM   #15
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After I bought the International nose, we were on a trip in Pennsylvania and went to the car museum in Hershey. The displays are great with full size painted and 3 dimensional backdrops that put the vehicles in realistic settings. But down in the basement where the keep the "less important" vehicles is an awesome bus collection. There are around 20 busses ranging from the teens through 50's. It is cool to be able to see the progression through the years. As I was drooling on the busses going up through the years, I came upon a yellow school bus. Low and behold, it was a Wayne - of my vintage. After going crazy on that, I noticed further that it was on an International chassis just like mine! So, I took a million pictures and detailed out the way the cowl fit to the front and all that good stuff. Turns out, this bus was used in the movie "Ray" as Ray Charles and band went on tour. Anyway, here are some bus museum pics.


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Old 12-10-2014, 11:39 PM   #16
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1936 International at the Hershey Auto Museum


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Old 12-11-2014, 08:47 AM   #17
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Re: 1934 Wayne Daysailer

I used to deliver vans to Rohrer bus sales in Duncannen,PA. Always very nice to truck drivers,
which puts them high on my list of nice people.

http://www.rohrerbus.com/company/history/

They might be of some help in research.
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Old 12-11-2014, 03:13 PM   #18
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Thanks for the link. And Rohrer actually restored this bus, so there may a good contact there if the need arises.
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Old 12-17-2014, 12:24 AM   #19
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Here are the last 5 months summarized in 6 pictures. It looks neat and tidy in the pictures, but I've been cutting 100's of bolts with a cut-off wheel and taking this thing apart piece by piece. Everything is labeled and photographed - I hope it goes back together!


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Old 12-17-2014, 12:36 AM   #20
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Lots of demolition! The last picture is the bare flatbed. The next step (current step) is to reproduce the floor panels and floor ribs, then re-attach the uprights that hold the wall panels. This will all begin after I sort out the new frame.



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