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Old 01-25-2017, 10:18 PM   #1
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Back deck for window licker short bus

Building a back deck on the window-licker bus. 24" stationary aft of the bumper, and another 36-48" that will fold up vertical when mobile.

These cutaways leave Ford with only so much frame, and if you want more bus than that you need to extend that frame. My bus is a 6-window, so it needed about 2ft of frame extension. So they butt-welded a couple pieces of bent channel to the ends of the ford frame and built the box on that. With a diagonal brace between the rails aft of the gas tank. Strong enuf to support a box fulla window lickers...but maybe not quite strong enuf to hang cantilevered deck off of.

So I need to reinforce the rear of the frame. I made a pair of reinforcements from 4" channel and some flatbar. These bridge the splice in the frame, are welded to the frame top and bottom along the cross-pieces, and are "rosette" welded inside the holes. They also tie in to the bumper brackets on the aft end.



Welded the first one in; it was the one right next to the propane tank so there was a bit of a pucker factor...but I think I got it hooked in there ok. I drew in the frame splice location with soapstone for illustration purposes. My overhead welds aren't the prettiest, but I think the penetration was good. The "rosette" welds came out looking kinda like the anus of a well-used pornstar...but I think they'll hold.





So these will go on the outsides of the frame rails. My intention is to ALSO weld a piece of rectangle tube between the rails just inside the bumper, with .250 flanges on top and bottom, and then the deck framing will thru-bolt thru these flanges as well as the existing bumper brackets, sandwiching the 3/16" bumper in between. I may incorporate a hitch receiver in this as well.
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Old 01-25-2017, 10:30 PM   #2
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I am building pretty much the same deck onto my shorty. 24" fixed with another 24" folded up. Just a place to hang my gennie and scooter. Have all the steel cut, just waiting until some other back end work is done to put it together. Will be fun to watch what you assemble.

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Old 01-26-2017, 12:05 PM   #3
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I am building pretty much the same deck onto my shorty. 24" fixed with another 24" folded up. Just a place to hang my gennie and scooter. Have all the steel cut, just waiting until some other back end work is done to put it together. Will be fun to watch what you assemble.

Rock on!
I was wanting to extend the C-channel frame out about 36" and replace the rear door and reverse the swing. Speaking of which; Do you have any idea why the rear door would swing out so that the opening is toward the drivers side? Seems to me the safety issue would be towards the passenger side, away from the road ? Just curious.
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Old 01-26-2017, 12:57 PM   #4
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I was wanting to extend the C-channel frame out about 36" and replace the rear door and reverse the swing. Speaking of which; Do you have any idea why the rear door would swing out so that the opening is toward the drivers side? Seems to me the safety issue would be towards the passenger side, away from the road ? Just curious.
Hum. Let's think about this for a minute. Bus goes off the road, and falls over on its side. Kids need to get out, so they open the emergency door and the door falls open against the stay and now is like a shelf. Out they go.

Hinge it the other direction, and they are trying to lift it up and crawl out from under it

That would be my guess
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:35 PM   #5
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But wouldn't that be the same if it the bus fell over on its side on the driver side? I thought that was why you have the rooftop hatches? I like your thinking though.
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But wouldn't that be the same if it the bus fell over on its side on the driver side? I thought that was why you have the rooftop hatches? I like your thinking though.
Which side is the bus most likely to flop over on. I would say the passenger side, because that's the side of the road that it drives on, and I'm thinking the most likely scenario would be going off the outside of a corner. Or, off the road and hitting the ditch, then flipping over.
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[QUOTE=Goatherder;181440]Building a back deck on the window-licker bus. 24" stationary aft of the bumper, and another 36-48" that will fold up vertical when mobile.


....the same but different. Deck will fold up tight against the back door, already forty feet...maxed out length wise.
I'll bolt everything together [grade 8 hardware] in case things don't work out or it gets damaged in any way. Not crazy about welding to the frame.
I'd like to be able to wheel the BBQ out the back door without humping it up and down three feet every time you want to use it.

I'll be watching to see what you come up with, I already have a plan for mine..not there yet.
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But wouldn't that be the same if it the bus fell over on its side on the driver side? I thought that was why you have the rooftop hatches? I like your thinking though.
What if you don't have roof top hatches?
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:24 PM   #9
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Building a back deck on the window-licker bus. 24" stationary aft of the bumper, and another 36-48" that will fold up vertical when mobile.


....the same but different. Deck will fold up tight against the back door, already forty feet...maxed out length wise.
I'll bolt everything together [grade 8 hardware] in case things don't work out or it gets damaged in any way. Not crazy about welding to the frame.
I'd like to be able to wheel the BBQ out the back door without humping it up and down three feet every time you want to use it.

I'll be watching to see what you come up with, I already have a plan for mine..not there yet.
I'd say welding to the frame is pretty much mandatory. You've got to reinforce the frame before you go hanging a bunch more weight off the back of it.

My deck will have brackets that bolt thru the rear bumper and into the frame reinforcements I am building. Rear bumper will be sandwiched in between 1/4" plates, the inside of which is backed up w 2x4 .188 wall tube spanning between the two frame rails.
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I had a couple of C-channel extensions fabbed to fit snugly inside my rear frame rails and bolted them in place. The deck will attach to them.
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