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Old 10-20-2015, 02:30 PM   #11
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Unless you have the skills to do the work yourself, you better have a ton of cash.
That is a good rule of thumb on all projects that border on the bizarre, unique, uncommon and rare sides of life.

At one point I was looking into these
http://www.govplanet.com/Trucks+-+5+Ton+Cargo

The m934 has "slide outs" in a matter of speaking
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Old 10-20-2015, 04:20 PM   #12
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That is a beastly "bobbed" pickup for certain. Would like to see picks/process if you do find yourself an ol 82 style shortie.
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Old 10-20-2015, 09:07 PM   #13
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Exactly what is it that you want. An E450 is basically a one ton truck with an extended frame and some beefed up components. An International is a Medium duty truck.
Basically what I'm looking to do is put together a bare bones 4WD RV that is roomy enough to sleep four but compact enough for easy navigation of the beach, state and national forest roads, etc... Before my wife and I had kids we explored and camped all over out of a Ford F-350 single cab longbed with a camper cap. Now that we have two little ones I'm looking for a way to do the same thing but accommodate all of us. I looked into truck campers for a while, but since I would need to first find a dual cab 4x4 pickup, it would be a pretty expensive option, as would an actual RV, especially considering I'd still have to convert it to 4WD.

Conventional RVs also have lots of stuff we don't need. When we camp or surf fish, the vehicle is simply a base of operations to store stuff, sleep, and use the facilities in. All of our cooking, eating, hanging out, etc...is done outside, especially since a bus would be very conducive to mounting large retractable awning. All I need is space for four bunks, a shower, a toilet, and a large bench seat (like from a Ford Club Wagon) mounted behind the driver's seat. That still takes up a decent amount of room though and I don't think I could squeeze it into 12' unless there are some more innovate layouts I'm not thinking of. I'm working on a potential floorplan based on the size of the Collins bus-I'll post it once I get it to a decent place.
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Old 10-20-2015, 09:23 PM   #14
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Flat nose buses take a top loading Rockwell 2.5 ton axle with no lift.

This is due to the front axle being behind the engine and trans. It is just passed the drive shaft yoke.

So on a flat nose I would need a divorced transfer case to shoot the drive shaft over the front axle to the transfer case, then the front drive shaft would come back forward to the front axle.

With a front nose setup, all of the drive shafts would be tucked up between the frame rails.

Many other buses like my Ford B700 dog nose bus could have taken a front top loader by simply lifting the engine up into the hood.
Stock location of the engine is as low as they could build it with the stock front drop axle. By using a front drop axle, they were able to tuck the engine down between the frame rails for best center of gravity.

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Old 10-20-2015, 10:11 PM   #15
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Basically what I'm looking to do is put together a bare bones 4WD RV that is roomy enough to sleep four but compact enough for easy navigation of the beach, state and national forest roads, etc... Before my wife and I had kids we explored and camped all over out of a Ford F-350 single cab longbed with a camper cap. Now that we have two little ones I'm looking for a way to do the same thing but accommodate all of us. I looked into truck campers for a while, but since I would need to first find a dual cab 4x4 pickup, it would be a pretty expensive option, as would an actual RV, especially considering I'd still have to convert it to 4WD.

Conventional RVs also have lots of stuff we don't need. When we camp or surf fish, the vehicle is simply a base of operations to store stuff, sleep, and use the facilities in. All of our cooking, eating, hanging out, etc...is done outside, especially since a bus would be very conducive to mounting large retractable awning. All I need is space for four bunks, a shower, a toilet, and a large bench seat (like from a Ford Club Wagon) mounted behind the driver's seat. That still takes up a decent amount of room though and I don't think I could squeeze it into 12' unless there are some more innovate layouts I'm not thinking of. I'm working on a potential floorplan based on the size of the Collins bus-I'll post it once I get it to a decent place.

You are going to have a problem fitting all that inside if you plan on chopping off the back end. If you plan on scaling walls with this, you might want to consider another vehicle like a Unimog. If you just want 4WD, that's another story and I think can be accomplished fairly easily.
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Old 10-21-2015, 05:33 AM   #16
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You are going to have a problem fitting all that inside if you plan on chopping off the back end.
I'll post some floorplan ideas once they're ready-I can tell you that it will not look like a conventional RV-it would more like the kinds of support trailers utility companies often bring in when they send their workers a couple of states away to help with storm cleanup. It's a place to sleep and wash up and not much else.

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If you plan on scaling walls with this, you might want to consider another vehicle like a Unimog. If you just want 4WD, that's another story and I think can be accomplished fairly easily.
No wall scaling ability needed The biggest reason for wanting 4WD is beach access (2WD vehicles not permitted) for surf fishing. Obviously it would open up other possibilities inland as well. We go to Maine a lot, for example. Many of the roads in remote areas that are passable with 2WD in the middle of a dry summer are a totally different story during mud season or mid to late fall.
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Flat nose buses take a top loading Rockwell 2.5 ton axle with no lift.

This is due to the front axle being behind the engine and trans. It is just passed the drive shaft yoke.

So on a flat nose I would need a divorced transfer case to shoot the drive shaft over the front axle to the transfer case, then the front drive shaft would come back forward to the front axle.

With a front nose setup, all of the drive shafts would be tucked up between the frame rails.

Many other buses like my Ford B700 dog nose bus could have taken a front top loader by simply lifting the engine up into the hood.
Stock location of the engine is as low as they could build it with the stock front drop axle. By using a front drop axle, they were able to tuck the engine down between the frame rails for best center of gravity.

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are you sure about that?
I will double check, thought about this a few years ago, clearance for that axle will take a min. of 12 inches of lift (I think it was closer to 18 inches), at least on my bus, since I have a typical dropped axle beam
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are you sure about that?
I will double check, thought about this a few years ago, clearance for that axle will take a min. of 12 inches of lift (I think it was closer to 18 inches), at least on my bus, since I have a typical dropped axle beam
There should be pics showing the location and spacing of the front axle on my flat nose bus.

Like I mentioned in a previous post. Most dog nose buses need the engine lifted up into the engine bay to make space to accommodate the front drive axle. This prevents lifting the entire bus, causing a unstable, dangerous unit with a high center of gravity.

Also the rockwell 2.5 ton can be rotated to put the center chunk in a different spacing to clear engine and transmission.

If that is not enough, the axle tubes can be cut and spliced to off set the center chunk. Better axle shafts can be had in any grade, length, and spec.

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