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Old 11-03-2016, 05:48 PM   #31
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I was basing my fuel economy guess on my own rig. With a T444e and a 5-speed Spicer manual transmission I will typically get 11-13mpg on the highway if I keep it between 95-100km/h and out of the mountains.
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Old 11-03-2016, 05:58 PM   #32
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I was basing my fuel economy guess on my own rig. With a T444e and a 5-speed Spicer manual transmission I will typically get 11-13mpg on the highway if I keep it between 95-100km/h and out of the mountains.
How does that T444e compare to the engine in the bus I posted?
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:00 PM   #33
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It's newer and more powerful largely due to the turbocharger. Cleaner burning.. I imagine fuel economy would be close, though, once on the highway. Cowlitz, what says you?

They're both ~7l V8s, at any rate.
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:40 PM   #34
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The 1996 GMC bus you posted has all of the worst qualities of school buses and commercial buses with few of the better qualities.

First off, it is built on the GM P-30 chassis. That chassis is an overbuilt 1-ton pickup chassis that really isn't up to the task of supporting the bus body that is up on top. They are hard on brakes, springs, spring hangers, shock absorbers, and shock mounts. The 6.5L is a bit of an orphan out there as well. It might have some support from the companies that do aftermarket parts and pieces for pickups but there isn't a lot out there.

Second, I am not a big fan of plastic bodies. Everyone of them will start to leak no matter how well they are put together. Unlike school buses the joints are not riveted but glued together. Over time as the buses are exposed to the elements, particularly UV rays and air pollution, the glue in the joints tend to degrade. When they degrade enough they start to leak. The joint leaking is exacerbated by how many miles the bus has been driven. A bus with 150K miles won't have shaken things up as much as a bus that has gone 300K miles. Others may have different experiences but I have owned and sold enough of them to know what happens in the out years.

As far as fuel mileage for a bus like this is concerned, I would guess it would be in the 8-12 MPG range. I would seriously doubt any claims greater than that. The same bus with a 350 small block V-8 or a 454 big block V-8 would get 7-10 MPG.
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:44 PM   #35
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Apparently the body panels are aluminum and the coach company that operated it said from their records it got 15-16 downhill and 13 uphill so I dunno. I know very little about it, I'm having to take people at their word.
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:53 PM   #36
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Oh, I missed the 6.5l. I was hoping for a 6.9 vs the t444e comparison.
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:54 PM   #37
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My shuttle has a fair amount of metal framework from floor to ceiling. It doesn't move at all with me walking on the roof.
I get around 10mpg-towing with hills. (7.3 aka T444 diesel) I have carpet everywhere I could-I don't find the engine noisey at all.
My (Champion) is glass from the chassis up-with metal below that. (Other are all glass.) Mine lived its life as an airport shuttle for a hotel.
One plus for the side of the shuttle no one is talking about--headroom.
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Old 11-04-2016, 02:14 PM   #38
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Thanks sdwarf. What transmission and gearing do you have? And what's your mileage flat without towing?
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Old 11-04-2016, 05:38 PM   #39
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E4OD trans. 4.10 gears. (Pretty much the norm for these.) I don't have anything to go by flat/ not towing. My bus is built to tow my hillclimb racecar-so its always going somewhere with hills. (Vt. or Pa.)
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Old 11-04-2016, 08:12 PM   #40
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Ok thanks all. Seems like if fuel costs are a concern to me, I need to probably look a different direction than the bus conversion thing. I've always wanted a Hilux, maybe a Sunrader would be a better start.
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