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Old 04-30-2016, 11:46 PM   #91
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Dan-Fox, thank you for the flattering words! I probably re-read them a thirty times or so (give or take) to flatter my ego. I was hoping to find a creative way to respond with an update but I haven't gotten around to taking any pictures. However I will briefly summarize my accomplishments since my last update below.

1. I did a half-assed clean where I got rid of some but not all of my clutter.

2. I organized my wire mess slightly.

3. Did a mediocre install job on a segal lock which I installed in anticipation of my upcoming battery box project.

4. Begun tearing staples out of some dumpster plywood I've had cluttering my garage for a year now.

5. I did a modest amount of shopping for a bunch of crap which includes.

5a. a Magnum SBC 'smart battery combiner' to combine my house and starter batteries.
5b. 4x of these led lights to replace my front side flashers (7" Clear LED School Bus Back-Up Light) (not sure if they will fit yet)
5b. LED 12v Lights "natural lighting" (not great quality) and "warm lighting" (haven't tried these yet)

6. Garage/shop work: sold a broken sandwich cooler I had for way too long, made a more stable workbench with random crap I had laying around.

I'll try to include pictures before next year to make this post more interesting.
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Old 06-08-2016, 06:51 PM   #92
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Alright Folks, it's been a minute since I've gotten an update in - but I have been going at the bus daily at my pace. What used to seem like a chore is all I can think about now, I spend my days at work fantasizing about what kind of work I can get in when I get home, and I get home and try to go to town (try being the key word here). I think there's been some sort of transformation present in my mind. My only regret is I didn't cross this hurdle two years ago.

This was pretty simple, I just replaced my front flashers with LED reverse lights I got online. Being the fool I am, I wired it to my stop sign switch with 10 gauge, which I believe is overkill, but that's my style I guess. I twisted these together, did a horrible job soldering them, and stuck them in a wire nut. Needless to say, with my level of craftsmanship it's definitely within my best interest to keep everything somewhat accessible in the future. This night I took my bus for one of the sketchier test drives around the block, It reminded me that I really need to bolt down my drivers seat sooner than later. I expected these flashers to be like SUPER BRIGHT HIGH BEAMS, but their effect on the road was pretty underwhelming. However they do provide good marginal lighting above 10 ft (like my neighbors second story windows), overall no complaints.

Then I began working on my batterybox. Being a dumbass with a mediocre skillset this took me a really long time. I decided to make this box in the stairwell because I do not trust my welding skills to make a box that will hold 200lb of batteries, also I want to be able to access my flooded batteries easily. I did impulsively get a Lincoln AC225 stick Welder in hopes that I will be able to weld eventually, I have yet to test it yet, I need to wire it to a dryer plug first. Here are some steps below.
First I added small hinges to use as steps, I had this intense grand plan to use these hinges as part of a big fold down step, but after I got waist deep in this plan/headache related to it, I ended up deciding to just stick with the these hinges as steps - on that note, I have about 12 pullies to return to home depot . These are secured below to a thick piece of metal about 26 inches wide and 3/8 thick, I am not an engineer but this made sense to me.
I've seen the really good skoolie craftsmen remove this rubber, and then take out the rust, and then recoat it and make it look really nice. I will let you know if I regret not doing that. Good to note, there's a vent opening on the right side, and a computer fan on the left side. Here's what a computer fan loooks like, incase anyone's interested.


1/2 inch insulation down

3/4 ply down

Skipped a few steps, but basically I used bed frame, plywood, 2x2, 2x4 and assembled this box. I used some pirelli flooring and I also made two perpendicular bed frame supports later, I apparently did not snap a photo.
Instead of finishing this, I put a piece of plywood over it and decided progress is satisfactory for now. Funny story about that, last night I attached the door and I had to take this battery box apart to screw the door on the hinge, because I'm an idiot I didn't verify I screwed through all the hinge holes before reassembling the battery box, then I didn't verify that I screwed in all the screws all the way. so I took apart this battery box 2.5 times last night. I'm really really glad I didn't do anything that couldn't be undone.

What's this about a door? I stumbled upon this skoolie build, while looking for indirect lighting and was super into the build, I believe it's a similar breed to my bus too. Through this, I found these instructions to make a wood rv door. I recall reading on some thread where one of the many users here who I admire Nat stated that there is no place in a bus for a wooden door. Anyway I did it anyway, I'll get back to you when my regrets kick in. Either way, I was getting sick of my metal bus doors that couldn't close all the way, and would open occasionally while I drove the bus. So here are a few pics. I am expecting my door to fall apart eventually, and I will hopfeully be able to weld a new steel door by then.

Painting the bus door

Chiseling out some space for the storm door knob to go. As you see, I used FRP paneling, 2x6's, 2x4's and 2x3's, and some 6 inch screws. The window I got in the RV pile I posted about sometime earlier this year, I sealed around it with polyurethane caulk, and I also mechanically fastened it with about a dozen 3 inch screws. It is secured to the prior existing door hinge with another dozen 3 inch screws.

The finished result from the outside (taken this morning)



I did not take any pictures of the inside because I was in a rush, but it doesn't look that great. I used leftover FRP on the inside, and spray painted it with a slightly more appealing color of white (see battery box). No Trim was used for the inside yet. For the trim I used aluminum angle iron, I think it was a little expensive for this purpose but I like to think of these premiums as "novice tax".

I used this storm door handle and am fairly pleased with it, worth noting that the door handle's hollow interior is revealed on the backside of it, not a big deal. I also still need to do a little fine tuning but for the most part I am really pleased with how it turned out.

So here's what's going on next. I will have precut 18 gauge galvannealed metal sheets to cover 75% of my windows arriving at the end of the week. I have a handful of 3/16 cleco's, a 4x rivet gun, and will have 600 3/16x5/8 solid steel rivets arriving at the end of the week. Despite my reluctance, I was talked into using solid rivets over blind rivets, I'll get back to you on this once I have an opinion. If all goes as planned, I can begin skinning the backright side of the bus on Friday while a buddy is in town, and hopefully get the bulk of the bus skinnined by the end of the 16th to cash in on some favors my kitchen staff owe me.

As always, thanks for holding my hand through this my friends. For the better or the worse I'm starting to develop some confidence of where to go next. I've made so many mistakes, that I am developing resistance to fearing these mistakes. I have yet to learn how to think ahead properly, but maybe I'll figure that out, maybe.
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Old 06-08-2016, 06:58 PM   #93
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yeaaay a fellow carpenter!!!!(carpenter bus)...

lookin good!!

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Old 06-08-2016, 07:40 PM   #94
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Battery box looks good. You probably have taken this into consideration but, be sure your fan is blowing outside air through your battery box and not drawing air across the batteries and out. The hydrogen gas given off from lead acid batteries is explosive and you sure don't want to risk pumping it through your little computer fan since it has the potential to generate a spark. Jack
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:13 PM   #95
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Jack, thank you for your wisdom! That's some really great advice, which I never thought of (the fan is blowing out right now). Do you think the vent on the other side of the battery box is an acceptable location? I was meaning to ask this, but do you think I should have that air redirected away from below the bus, or is there adequate airflow to not worry about hydrogen gas accumulation exploding or work hardening the steel around that area?

Edit: Cadillac: thanks carpenter bro!
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:24 PM   #96
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interesting thought on your battery box.. something I hadnt thought of... I got my bus out of the storage unit today and to my amazement realized that my stairwell is not filled in underneath... so now the ideas begin that I could build a floor underneath one of the steps underneath then make the top of a step hinged and have battery boxes and stairs... at least thats how my mind is thinking... I like your ideas.. except that I have some friends which are older or larger so the 2 hinges would never suffice as stepsfor them to get in.. seems like I should be able to rework the stairs... my other thought is behind the passenger side heater would be a great place for a battery box... easy access to floor / firewall for venting...

Love it!

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Old 06-08-2016, 10:35 PM   #97
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I'd recommend making your fan a pusher to push fresh air through the battery box rather than a puller as you now have it. I wouldn't be worried about gasses collecting under the bus once they have exited the battery box--that's not to say it couldn't happen, I suppose.

Oh Well, Ya pays Ya money an Ya takes Ya chances! Jack
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Old 06-08-2016, 11:03 PM   #98
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Jack, if you're not worried, I'm not worried (I won't hold you accountable if there's anything to worry about). Also, I was a lot more worried about hydrogen accumulation when my fan was blowing theoretical hydrogen gas at the gas tank.

Christopher: Glad you like the plan, I think I got the stairwell battery box idea off the roach coach conversion, but I also think I misread how he was doing it. I too have larger friends, older loved ones, and eventually a dog. My plan is to have a stool of some sort that people can use if necessary to get them in. I do think that the stairwell space has a lot of potential, 5-6 cubic feet built to hold a decent amount of weight and easy access to outside and inside. I went back and forth on it a lot. I cycled through a lot of ideas ranging from splitting the door and having a draw gate for the lower half, to making a fold down step that would attach to the ground, to just closing off the door section entirely and leaving only access for the battery box and putting the passenger seat up top. Anyway thank you for the praise, I can't wait to start skinning the bus.
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Old 06-09-2016, 05:06 PM   #99
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Computer fans are commonly brushless: the magnets are mounted on the part that spins, while the coils are are fixed in the housing. No brushes generally equals no sparks, but that's not necessarily the same thing as explosion-proof. Still for this application pushing air into the box is probably a good idea. Perhaps one other thing to consider is which matters more: where the exhaust exits, or where the intake enters. If the exhaust exit matters most then set up a fan to suction from the box. The box will develop slightly negative pressure, air will leak in any place it pleases, and whatever is exhausted will go through the path you've chosen. On the other hand if you only care about where the intake air comes from then use the fan to push that air into the box. It'll be positively pressurized and exhaust will leak out wherever it can.
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:14 PM   #100
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just how much hydrogen does a battery produce? is it enough that it fills up a whole bus interior and blows the windows out if it goes off? or is it small amounts unless a battery is boiled like crazy with a runaway charger?

somehow batteries under car seats dont have fan forced vents, batteries in race cars dont have fan forced vents.. just normal vents..

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