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Old 10-24-2009, 04:40 PM   #1
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mini bus info needed

hi everyone

i've posted before, i'm from new zealand planning a 3 month trip round us/canada skiing. will be converting a bus to a very basic specification with just beds, a bench and a woodburner for warmth while being heavy on the insulation. have decided to use something based on a van chassis, most likely a ford e-350 or similar. i have a couple of questions you guys might have some answers to!

1. gas(we call it petrol) or diesel? pro's of diesel i can see are economy and resale value. will be doing thousands of miles(new york-bc-los angeles with lots of driving around) and the less i can spend on fuel the better. pros of gas seem to be cheaper initial cost of vehicle and easier cold weather starting? will be attempting to use some kiwi ingenuity to sort out a way of pre-warming the engine using the woodburner in very cold places but thats another story! any input on the gas vs diesel decision? can anyone give approx economy figures for each if driven with economy in mind in a smaller bus?

2. school bus or shuttle bus? does e350 school buses and shuttle buses of mid 90's vintage have the same spec 7.3 diesel? would the gearing be similar? economy? not worried about speed wont be going anywhere in a hurry economy is my most important concern. anything for or against either type?

any help would be greatly appreciated, also if anyone knows of a bus around the new york area or anywhere on the way to bc let me know! hoping to spend less than 2k doesnt need to be flash just reliable.

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Old 10-30-2009, 08:09 AM   #2
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Re: mini bus info needed

have narrowed it down to a shuttle bus, the mini school buses just arent quite big enough for what im after. can anyone comment on petrol vs diesel? i cant make up my mind! have worked out we will be doing approx 5000 miles. have read a figure of 12mpg for a petrol one which isnt too bad but would that be believable? have found one good cheap petrol ford e350 shuttle bus for $1000 but it has done 240k miles. a diesel of around the same milage would be around $1500 would the diesel engine be alot healthier after this distance? both are ex bus company buses so have been regularly maintained and i would assume mostly hot running? the other question is resale would it be easier to sell the diesel aterwards? any help at all would be great! we have very different vehicles in new zealand ive never owned anything over 2.4L!

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Old 10-30-2009, 12:07 PM   #3
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Re: mini bus info needed

Adam,
Anything I can do to help a Kiwi I'm at the front of the line. (I was over there 3 years ago racing-stayed in Napier-absoulutly LOVED it!)
240k on an unmaintained gas motor is alot--on something that has had normal service is on the hi side--but not terrible. On a diesel 240k is nothing at all.
My diesel 16 pass. shuttle bus got 11 mpg on its maiden voyage--but that was in very hilly country-i'm sure it would do better on flat ground. I have driven (gas) large ford cargo vans that have gotten around 12mpg-so yes its believible.
I've helpped out traveling kiwis before--i assume you plan on buying it-traveling-then selling it off when your done--correct? A diesel has more value at resale.
Diesel fuel around here is now running about 20 cents a gallon more than gas.
So its close to even--I'd go with the diesel with the hope of getting more $ at the end of the trip.
If theres any more help I can be (I'm 1/2 way in between NY + Boston) you can contact me at sdwarf36@aol.com
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Old 10-30-2009, 03:24 PM   #4
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thanks for the info sdwarf! i could kill a pie myself i've been working in mexico the last couple of months missing home already. yeah thats the plan.. pretty much decided on a diesel the only thing im not quite sure about is very cold starting? will be spending most of my time in interior canada so it will be seriously cold! i really like the look of your bus looks very spacious! thanks for your help i may well be in touch when i get round to working out how licensing and insurance etc works in the states/canada.
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Old 10-30-2009, 03:24 PM   #5
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thanks for the info sdwarf! i could kill a pie myself i've been working in mexico the last couple of months missing home already. yeah thats the plan.. pretty much decided on a diesel the only thing im not quite sure about is very cold starting? will be spending most of my time in interior canada so it will be seriously cold! i really like the look of your bus looks very spacious! thanks for your help i may well be in touch when i get round to working out how licensing and insurance etc works in the states/canada.
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Old 10-30-2009, 04:00 PM   #6
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I've yet to use mine in the cold so i cant tell you how it may start--but I have a block heater in it. You plug it in at night to keep the water temp up for better starting. As far as I know all the Ford 7.3's have it--at least any in the north should. I have the same thing in my diesel VW-its set on a timer -2 hours before I'm ready to leave for work it starts heating up. It make the car that would start with a fight start right up like summer.

Just fair warning--theres no volcanos to ski on in Canada.
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Old 10-30-2009, 04:23 PM   #7
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yeah ive heard about these block heater gadgets i doubt ill be staying anywhere i can plug one in though! i will have a woodburner so should be able to sort something out to circulate hot water through the engine ive played around with heating spas this way before. i imagine the skiing will be very different to what im used to! getting very excited now only 3 weeks of work here left then holiday time!
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Old 10-30-2009, 09:40 PM   #8
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actually one thing you could help with is installing a passenger seat i see you've done this? you mentioned having to cut away a section of fibreglass after this is a simple bolt in affair with a suitable seat? it'd be nice to have some company up front!
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:33 PM   #9
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Well--thats what it was on my bus-got to see what brand/company you come up with -but i'm sure we could rig something up. I wanted to have a swivel seat with armrest so i had to make room for that and there was no mounts-i had to make them-something statioanry would be pretty easy.
Guess what-I still have the original drivers seat + base out of mine--it almost made it to the lanfill today-its yours if you want it. Let me know when you get closer to a known date + we'll set you up.
One thing you better budget for--decent winter tires since you're heading north.
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Well--thats what it was on my bus-got to see what brand/company you come up with -but i'm sure we could rig something up. I wanted to have a swivel seat with armrest so i had to make room for that and there was no mounts-i had to make them-something statioanry would be pretty easy.
Guess what-I still have the original drivers seat + base out of mine--it almost made it to the lanfill today-its yours if you want it. Let me know when you get closer to a known date + we'll set you up.
One thing you better budget for--decent winter tires since you're heading north.

I must be missing something, I don't see a passenger seat, but I am looking for a way to add one to my bus. photos please or a link that shows them?
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