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Old 02-11-2015, 04:37 PM   #31
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Anybody for an awnser?
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:32 PM   #32
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I put our water tank and plumbing inside the bus mainly because it was easier but also to make it easier to keep it from freezing if we're winter camping. About half of the drain line is inside also. I set our plumbing runs up so they'll be easy to drain with the middle of the runs higher than the ends so water drains back to the tank on one end and to the water heater on the other. Pex pipe is freeze resistant but just the same you don't want to leave it full of water in winter. It stretches lengthwise instead of splitting.

Another way to go is to use RV antifreeze but it has to be flushed out before using. I'm not sure which way is a bigger pain.

You can use heat tape and insulation on the exterior pipes if you'll be able to plug in.
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:56 PM   #33
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Wow thanks for the pictures , that's what i had in mind for the grey water. The blue barrel sound to me like a good idea, cheap and easy to find!

So basically the rod go through the bus floor ? And when you want to empty the tank, you need to go under the bus?

Also, did you jacked your bus to do all those plumbing or you just ''slide'' under? That's could be problematic for me if i can't go easily under it.


I also keep in mind the advice for the emplacement of the plumbing and wiring. It's a long-time project, I plan to buy the bus next year so now i'm now more in the design and configuration of the space.
Yes... Those blue tanks look great for black, grey and white tanks. I had no idea attaching them was so simple. I'd been thinking of having to get brackets welded.

How big are peoples tanks? One thing I looked at was a pressure tank but its big and holds only 20 gallons.
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Old 02-11-2015, 11:42 PM   #34
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My grey tank is only 15 gallons but it works fine for us. If I had wanted more capacity I would have had to go with a rectangular tank because the round barrels hang lower for the same gallon capacity. The full sized schoolies have a lot more space underneath for tanks and other fun stuff.

The bigger tanks weigh a lot more when full and may need a more robust mounting. My small tank weighs about 140 lbs. full so the threaded rods are plenty but 50 gallons of water alone is 425 lbs.
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Old 02-12-2015, 06:56 AM   #35
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I put our water tank and plumbing inside the bus mainly because it was easier but also to make it easier to keep it from freezing if we're winter camping. About half of the drain line is inside also. I set our plumbing runs up so they'll be easy to drain with the middle of the runs higher than the ends so water drains back to the tank on one end and to the water heater on the other. Pex pipe is freeze resistant but just the same you don't want to leave it full of water in winter. It stretches lengthwise instead of splitting.

Another way to go is to use RV antifreeze but it has to be flushed out before using. I'm not sure which way is a bigger pain.

You can use heat tape and insulation on the exterior pipes if you'll be able to plug in.

All my plumbing for fresh water will be inside the bus since the tank should be under the bed.

The only matter was the plumbing for the grey water but i don't plan to use the bus in cold temperature but it will be convert and store during the winter!

I will take a look to Pex pipe and the antifreeze!


And how much time do you last with a 15 gallons grey tank when you're boondocking? It's sure depend but I wonder if i put a 30-35 gallons fresh water and only a 15-20 grey tank if that will be an issue since most of the fresh goes in the grey!
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Old 02-12-2015, 11:09 AM   #36
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You need to use slightly larger waste tankage than fresh tankage. To figure your black tank size... Keep a log of how often you go to the bathroom per day for a month (both at home and away and for #1 & #2). For RV toilets, in order to keep from having a problem with toilet paper, you need to use plenty of water. I suggest a single flush for #1 and a double flush for #2. You are really counting the flushes. Find the toilet you want to use and see how much water it uses per flush. Take your month long flush numbers add them up and then divide that number by the number of days in your month to get a daily average. How many days do you want to go between dumps? Multiply the number of days between dumps by your average daily flush. Multiply the resulting number by the amount of water used to flush. Now add at least 15% to the number. Turn the number into gallons. Then refigure because you don't have enough space for a tank that size. If this is a weekender, you only need to go the length of your weekend. For longer, you may need to get a 4 wheeled side discharge tote (a bit pricey) to dump your black & grey tank into. Get a tote that will hold the entire contents of your black tank in one discharge. Trust me on this one. Been there, done that with a two wheeled tote. I still have the Barker 35 gallon two wheeled tote we used on the popup (cassette toilet so it was only used for grey water) and have used it on the Class C. I think I will let it go with the Class C when Das Mel sells it this Spring. It was very heavy and difficult for me to tip up on end to dump. I could do it but a side discharge would have been better and well worth the $$. Change the original wheels out to rubber ones (popular RV mod) and get a "float" to know when it's full. I had to drill a tiny hole in the top of my float so it would work right as it fit into the vent and without the hole it would not vent. This is a good basic thread to read about people who actually use them and why they use them. I suggest you read it to get an idea of how much tankage they are filling up.

http://forums.woodalls.com/Index.cfm...d/24979042.cfm

On edit: to keep it cheap and easy, you might want to make your own "portable" waste tank from a black ABS rocket tank (warning the larger ones are baffled) and put it on a flat dolly or wagon then just hook it up when you are in a site. ABS means you can add (glue in with all-purpose plumbing cement) your own fittings. You just need a space to carry it.
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I'm wondering if I can put some kind of electrical release valve on the grey tank or possibly arrange for it to leak a bit so I don't have to empty it
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We've never come close to filling our grey tank on a long weekend camp out, but we don't use the shower that much and we try to wash as few dishes as possible. When boondocking I either "dribble" (leave the grey valve open all weekend) or drain it on the ground before we leave. Established campgrounds frown on this sort of thing but out in the wild I can't see a problem. It's only dish and shower water after all.

Truth told, I've even drained it in the campgrounds a time or two, but only at a dirt campsite and only way after dark.
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An electric release valve that can be operated while driving sounds ideal
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They make remote waste dump valves. Kinda pricey. Legally, you need to still put a normal valve on the end of the run. You can be fined for dumping hazardous waste if caught dumping grey or black water (EPA).
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