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Old 12-19-2017, 01:29 PM   #481
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ECCB, you made be giggle a bit. Do I start a new thread on this site, or do you mean a Facebook page?

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I hate facebook, please start a build thread here so we Skoolie.net folks can follow along!
You've got the coolest bus of the year, easily!
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Old 12-19-2017, 02:15 PM   #482
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Old 12-19-2017, 02:17 PM   #483
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That does make me laugh.
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Old 12-19-2017, 02:22 PM   #484
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Debbie, a lot of us here are anti-facebook. For me it was having my fb wall plastered with advertising that had absolutely nothing to do with me. Also that's just a little to public, as many of the readers know nothing about buses. I don't want to be entertainment for the masses.

Make sure your camera batteries are fully charged. There are more than a few of us anxious to see how your bus is put together. I'm guessing you haven't picked up your bus yet? It's far away?

You make a lot of us laugh too. It's good to see this working out for you.
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Old 12-19-2017, 02:38 PM   #485
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so what makes him think the cover destruction is the real issue? there are lots of 466E's running around with original covers.. if the coolant was ill-maintained then cavitation of that sluminum cover can occur..

from what i am reading and have heard from those with issues is this..

the damage occurs to the FRONT part of the cover and not the rear part of the cover. the updated cover is the front part, which requires that the rear part be replaced..

so you take it apart and find out whats wrong.. it could simply be the seal is shot.. hell what if Dad is right and the Bolts are just not torqued correct...

so you pull the front part of the cover and find that it is in fact eaten up.. you get on vanderhaags or tuckpartsinventory and find a good solid used non-updated cover, put it on .. correctly maintained coolasnt and you probably go till the engine wears out and needs in-framed anyway..

dont explode this out of proportion.. yeah there is the part about wanting to make things perfect.. im the same way... but sometimes it comes to a point to be reasonable..

my business partner had to pry the software out of my hands because i was intent on making it 110% bug free before i released it.. unreasnable? yes.. in reality even though we find a bug here or there we are the most stable product of its kind on the market...

its kind of like me going crazy trying to get my 444E upgraded to 210 Horsepower and make it run 180 degrees in 100 degree heat.. I can cruise comfortably at 65 on all but the big hills, and I never run above 205... navistar factory doesnt even turn the fan on till 212... I finally realized that im where I want to be.. and to stop buying tools and spending money and time on shop labor to get this magical 20 Horsepower and 1000$ to update to the rad / CAC that your DT466 has.. its not necessary..

so concentrate on making your bus work.. and dont explode things if you dont have to... Roll up one and relax.. and get Logical!!

onto the air compressor.. if your bus doesnt have an air dryer you will get quite a bit of oil in the tanks.. if it has one and you hear it expel on governor cutoff then replace the cartridge in it.. those cartridges saturate and require changing..

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He said he's seen it on many of the E engines.

I'm really not trying to explode anything.
I'm in way over my head with this. Judging from the other fluids, I HIGHLY suspect the coolant wasn't maintained either. The blue stuff in there looks brand new, though.
I've gotta find a service manual for this thing.
There's an air dryer, btw.

If I get the front cover off and the rear cover is eaten up, what then? Do I put it all back together or have it towed as is?
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Old 12-19-2017, 03:07 PM   #487
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Roxanne is working till 5, then I'm gonna head out and try to pull off the alternator and get a better view of this leak.
I'm thinking I'll spray the area clean with brake cleaner and run it for just a bit before pulling the alternator aside.
Last time I made a huge mess by driving it to the end of the street and back to see how much coolant it would piss out under load.
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Old 12-19-2017, 03:22 PM   #488
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it has happened on some.. enough that navistar created a new cover set..

he has seen it on trucks he gets in the shop because they are broken when they call him up.. how many 'E' engines has he changed oil on, fixed the A/C, changed a waterpump, etc. where the front cover wasnt leaking...

the big thing is whether the rear piece or the front piece was the damaged part.. of course he wants 5k of your money so "the whole thing was bad"... AND the fact he is fixing a truck that likely sees 60+ hours of runtime every week.. so its always going to get the updated cover set.. thats what a reputable shop does..

theres no way to know until it comes apart. no i wouldnt put it all back together if it turns out the inner cover is ate up.. if it were my bus i would probably slowly try and figure out how to pull that inner cover..

I get back from nashville tomorrow hopefully.. Ill look and see if I hasve a DT-466 book.. im pretty sure i have one for the mechanical which from what i can tell the cover R&R is similar... otherwise I know its in the OnCommand which I can burn on a USB stick for you. (its 6 gigs)..

other options are (dont laugh).. drain the coolant, clean the area around the leak , rough it up a bit, and JB-weld it! i did it on a transmission once with EPOXY! ..

damn tranny shop wanted 1500 bucks back in 1990 to rebuild that tranny.. it sprung a NASTY leak.. a quart every 10 miles.. no way i had that dough then.. so I epoxied it up and drove that car for quite a while... a couple years with no issues..

is JB a permanent fix? nope! but if it seals then it lets you cruise your bus around like you want to do... and its easy to put back on if it fails again!. until you gather the info to make the repairs yourself or $$ to hire a mechanic...

go through with the blackstone test too.. see what they say about the oil as a whole.
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it has happened on some.. enough that navistar created a new cover set..

he has seen it on trucks he gets in the shop because they are broken when they call him up.. how many 'E' engines has he changed oil on, fixed the A/C, changed a waterpump, etc. where the front cover wasnt leaking...

the big thing is whether the rear piece or the front piece was the damaged part.. of course he wants 5k of your money so "the whole thing was bad"... AND the fact he is fixing a truck that likely sees 60+ hours of runtime every week.. so its always going to get the updated cover set.. thats what a reputable shop does..

theres no way to know until it comes apart. no i wouldnt put it all back together if it turns out the inner cover is ate up.. if it were my bus i would probably slowly try and figure out how to pull that inner cover..

I get back from nashville tomorrow hopefully.. Ill look and see if I hasve a DT-466 book.. im pretty sure i have one for the mechanical which from what i can tell the cover R&R is similar... otherwise I know its in the OnCommand which I can burn on a USB stick for you. (its 6 gigs)..

other options are (dont laugh).. drain the coolant, clean the area around the leak , rough it up a bit, and JB-weld it! i did it on a transmission once with EPOXY! ..

damn tranny shop wanted 1500 bucks back in 1990 to rebuild that tranny.. it sprung a NASTY leak.. a quart every 10 miles.. no way i had that dough then.. so I epoxied it up and drove that car for quite a while... a couple years with no issues..

is JB a permanent fix? nope! but if it seals then it lets you cruise your bus around like you want to do... and its easy to put back on if it fails again!. until you gather the info to make the repairs yourself or $$ to hire a mechanic...

go through with the blackstone test too.. see what they say about the oil as a whole.
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Still waiting on the blackstone test kit. Do they usually send an email or anything?
one thing I wonder about- Is the updated cover set different when it comes to gaskets? Will I need a non-update gasket set?I'm having a surprisingly hard time finding crucial info on these engines when I need it!
I'd only do the jb weld thing if I were trying to dump it on CL. This is the bus I want, so I'm pretty committed to seeing this fixed properly. I'm hoping that buying a used front cover is the worst case scenario.
I'm in no way itching to buy brand new parts, trust me. I'm really hoping for a miracle here.
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Old 12-19-2017, 03:47 PM   #490
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Sorry so many troubles lately ECCB. If you were in VA id roll u one!
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