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Old 01-03-2018, 02:31 PM   #821
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For around 8 grand you can get a reman longblock, maybe even with turbo and freshly painted blue oil filter.
But I'm not looking to spend more than a few grand on it at this point.
Totally get that but it puts things in perspective. Brand new engine = $50k then an $8k band-aid is semi reasonable. Brand new engine = $4k and you can shove your $8k timing cover up yours arse!!

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Its still gonna need thousands worth of other parts like tires, air compressor, fuel tank, etc...
None of those are needed during a build and you can junk yard dive for those one at a time. Don't nickel and dime yourself to death but don't let it sway you too much either.
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Old 01-03-2018, 02:43 PM   #822
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But it was a tuesday. Maybe you had a snow day??
Hmm, you're right. It wasn't snow tho. Don't think it ever got canceled the few times it snowed in Tallahassee. Would say teacher planning day but that would have been a Monday/Fri I think. MLK was the Jan 20th that year, not the 28th. I dunno why I was out.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:13 PM   #823
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Well cold does something, The auxiliary water pump gasket on my 1987 mercedes 300td leaks when it is cold. loosing a pint a night. Not a drip when it is running.
IMHO pull the front of a see what you got. You can still junk it afterwards. You can get a feel for what is going by just removing the waterpump and peek inside and get a feel for the corrosion. The covers used are not expensive so I would not see why you can not get this back together for under $1500. If the back cover is good or with minor welding can be made ok then I would not touch it. I almost never put new parts on an old engine unless they are less then $150.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:22 PM   #824
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My reading shows me that gaskets are no longer used in fitting the front cover back on, in that dt466. There is a new grey color sealant and presto, it's good again. Easy peasy, loosen it off and inject from a tube.
So many inexpensive ways around this problem.

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Old 01-03-2018, 03:29 PM   #825
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There are 2 kits of gaskets on my parts list. One for the front cover one for the rear.
Maybe the newer ones didn't have gaskets but this engine has o-ring type rubber seals and so does the updated cover set.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:42 PM   #826
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You probably have two whole legs!
If I knew these Navistars were junk and every bit as expensive as a Cat (or more), I'd have bought a Cat. I've always heard great things about them other than repair costs. But from what I can find, the engine I have is oddly one of the more expensive medium duty engines there is to fix.
Believe me, you don't have to point out how stupid I am or how I can't get my mind straight. I know all that. But you were wrong when you said I bought this bus because of "ego". I may be talkative and very opinionated but I don't think most folks who really know me see me as egotistical. Probably, if anything, its my lack of a huge ego and brutal honesty that tend to define me. well, that and my incredibly handsome good looks.
Yup two good legs, two bad feet, run over by an 8000 lb forklift. I thought those ere good motors but definitely have CAT experience, not just in the bus game. Heavy equip, marine and standby gennys, awesome CAT machines.
My apologies though if I hit a nerve so to speak but you are always the first to call CAT engines down with no real experience I could see. Let people make their on minds up and do their research.

I was young once like you and ego had a lot to do with one's ride. You wanted a chick, you had to get a cool fast car. My how I have changed, except for my good looks too, lol
Still love cruisinn though and nice rides of all sorts.
Charlie, get this thing fixed. It's not beyond your skill set and a chance to learn some more adaptable schools.
Here we are, 2 Scottish dudes havinn at it but only good intentions meant.

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Old 01-03-2018, 03:49 PM   #827
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There are 2 kits of gaskets on my parts list. One for the front cover one for the rear.
Maybe the newer ones didn't have gaskets but this engine has o-ring type rubber seals and so does the updated cover set.
Yes, no doubt they want to make money on parts, but others say this sealant lets you throw gaskets to the curb when torqued properly. They clean the threads out for the new bolts, lube the holes and bolts,even under the bolt heads and do the torquing then, back them off and retorque it all and put things back together.
Gaskets are dear if MSL so up goes the estimate. Dig?

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Old 01-03-2018, 04:38 PM   #828
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Sorry to hear you've received so much negative comments on this subject. Why not try a self fix? If you're actually considering backing out of this bus it really doesn't matter if you scrap it with half the engine in cardboard boxes or on the engine. If you take it apart you'll likely fix it at a fraction of the dealer cost. Even if it doesn't work, you've still got a good 466 core.

You've still got a number of choices. There are but loads of mechanics on this site that can get you through your engine problems. You just did that water pump on the van and that sounded like a real beotch. This is unfamiliar territory for you, but is no worse. You have a camera and an internet connection along with several thousand readers, half of which have been mechanics at some point in their lives.

I look at dealer estimates as a menu from which I pick and choose the items I want a shop to fix. The easier items can be fixed at home later. Most old mechanics don't consider a gasket issue to be that big of a deal. You want this fixed professionally much like the occasional newbs want their buses built professionally. This situation is a lot like you telling other people that you could get them through a bus build even when they say they don't have the skills. This is something you can get through with some help. You've already got the skills. You just haven't done this particular job before.
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:51 PM   #829
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