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Old 02-23-2018, 12:18 PM   #1
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Shower Location

Due to space limitations and "real estate" on the short bus being so valuable and needing to be as creative as possible; I'm wondering if it would be a feasible idea to have the shower area located right where the steps of the bus are; in effect, utilizing this space both as an entry point (obviously) but also as the shower area.

I'm imagining a simple shower curtain that could be drawn and pulled on a slider that is, say, a half circle. So you'd really just be taking a shower on the steps of the entry way. Of course, I would need to make sure that flooring is appropriate material to avoid rust, or mold, etc.

Can anyone envision what I'm talking about? Has anyone tried this before? I saw a video once on YouTube that I should've bookmarked, and this is exactly what he did but now I can't find it. If needed, I am happy to take a quick video on my phone and upload it to actually point out and provide a visual of what I'm saying.
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The first issue that I see is dealing with the waste water. Typically you place your grey tank below the shower so the waste water can drain to it. If it were permissable to let it drain out on to the ground that would not be a problem.

The next thing I see is what if someone needs to enter or leave the bus while you are showing.

Lastly, make sure that you construct it in a manner and with materials that will tolerate the moisture.

Have you considered a "wet head"? That is where the toilet and shower share a space. That is somewhat common on smaller sailboats. I imagine that Google could find you some examples.
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The first issue that I see is dealing with the waste water. Typically you place your grey tank below the shower so the waste water can drain to it. If it were permissable to let it drain out on to the ground that would not be a problem.

The next thing I see is what if someone needs to enter or leave the bus while you are showing.

Lastly, make sure that you construct it in a manner and with materials that will tolerate the moisture.

Have you considered a "wet head"? That is where the toilet and shower share a space. That is somewhat common on smaller sailboats. I imagine that Google could find you some examples.

Hi Steve:

Appreciate your time and the feedback/thoughts.

So I've got to say first off that in my ignorance, I do read about grey and black tanks often, but I personally find it absurd - absolutely absurd - to be required to have your shower water go into a tank. I have zero intentions on doing this. The only thing coming off of my body would be sweat and dirt from being outside. We try to be as eco-friendly as humanly possible these days to best of our ability - which means we use truly green biodegradable body wash.

We have no intention ever of being in public campgrounds. In my mind, I was planning on simply letting the water run down the entry steps and on to the ground. Now that I think of it, however, that would leave a giant mess (the equivalent of 5 minutes worth of running shower water) left right smack in front of where we are entering and exiting the bus. I need to rethink that part for sure. Haha. (I am NOT a smrt man - I mean smart man.) If I can figure that out than maybe I'll be in better shape.

Can you actually get into trouble with the law if you are letting simple shower water drain to the ground (no pee - I don't pee in the shower - that's disgusting not to mention lazy as you can possibly get next to just peeing in your own clothes)? I ask because - well - we swim in lakes, right? What is the difference? Our body and skin is in that water. I don't want to land myself a hefty fine or ticket or something if it's illegal. So I'm curious on this if you have any other thoughts.

As far as if someone needs to enter/exit the shower while one of us is showering - I don't know that five minutes will be big deal to wait. It's just Carolyn and I so I can't ever imagine this being an issue.

I have seen many, many videos on YouTube of people using solar shower bags or other solar shower systems outdoors and they shower just fine. Heck, they're recording it and putting it up on the global internet for the entire world to see. I would think someone would come hunt them down the ticket or reprimand then if it were truly illegal, right? Or am I wrong?

Great points. Appreciate ya!!
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It is not illegal to dump shower waste water onto the ground, nor is it illegal to dump your pee onto the ground also.
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I agree that there is some absurdity to the laws.

Unfortunately it is a law not a suggestion.

Somebody jump in here if you have more complete information:

I have traveled 45 states and 4 Canadian provinces. I have stayed in all sort of places from rest areas to fancy private parks. I have never stayed anywhere that tolerated dumping your grey tank on the ground.

I have been a few places that they tolerated people showering outside but it was strictly forbidden to shower inside and allow it to drain out on the ground.

Defying the rules can, at best, get you kicked out of the place to possibly ticketing or arrest.

One minor exception that I have run into is some locations allow the watering of landscaping as long as it is "properly treated". I never did find out what properly treated was. BTW: this doesn't mean simply dumping in the flower bed. They wanted specific plumbing with colored (purple?) Nozzles on the sprinklers. Also, there setback requirements for property boundaries, wells, rivers etc.

Kind of crazy.
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I agree that there is some absurdity to the laws.

Unfortunately it is a law not a suggestion.

Somebody jump in here if you have more complete information:

I have traveled 45 states and 4 Canadian provinces. I have stayed in all sort of places from rest areas to fancy private parks. I have never stayed anywhere that tolerated dumping your grey tank on the ground.

I have been a few places that they tolerated people showering outside but it was strictly forbidden to shower inside and allow it to drain out on the ground.

Defying the rules can, at best, get you kicked out of the place to possibly ticketing or arrest.

One minor exception that I have run into is some locations allow the watering of landscaping as long as it is "properly treated". I never did find out what properly treated was. BTW: this doesn't mean simply dumping in the flower bed. They wanted specific plumbing with colored (purple?) Nozzles on the sprinklers. Also, there setback requirements for property boundaries, wells, rivers etc.

Kind of crazy.
Parks may have rules on their private property. It is not an arrestable offense if you break those rules.
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Question for the OP:

If I tell you that it is ok to drive 90mph through town and, you do it, do you think a cop would let you off because I said it was ok?

Check the laws/rules for yourself and be responsible for your own actions.
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Question for the OP:

If I tell you that it is ok to drive 90mph through town and, you do it, do you think a cop would let you off because I said it was ok?

Check the laws/rules for yourself and be responsible for your own actions.
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Hey Marc ...

Do me a favor bro - don't hi-jack my thread where people are trying to HELP others with your effing attitude. I am a pretty cool, laid back person, but I've seen multiple threads where you hijack them and attack people.

Not sure WTF your problem is - but go ahead and don't respond to my threads if this is how you choose to treat people? Cool? Great, because if not, I'm sure Janet H would be more than happy to have me report you and you can simply be banned.

How about THEM apples?
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Old 02-23-2018, 02:38 PM   #10
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Steve:

Absolutely. I'll make sure that I look further into this. No worries either way. If we need to adjust out expectations and planning for the "grey" water issue - we of course will because we want to make sure we're doing what is right.

Thanks for all the help. And sorry for jack-wagon that jumped you over trying to help me out.
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