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08-18-2016, 09:07 PM
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#21
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Hempstead Tx
Posts: 213
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: t444e
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Lost power at work today so I left at 6, got home, played with my giant toddler(over 3ft@21mo) put him to bed then did some bus time. All driver side low panels are cut except the rivets behind the emergeny window frame, couldn't run my impact with the boy sleeping. Cut about 1/3 of a ceiling panel's rivets too.
Used my grandfather's 1970s ish Great Falls grinder with a 7" disc, that thing is a beast.
Photos in the morning after I finish tearing the panels.
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08-19-2016, 09:13 AM
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#22
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Skoolie
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 205
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiliChzPoopTart
couldn't run my impact with the boy sleeping.
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Why? It sounds like the young fella is big enough to run the grinder.
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08-19-2016, 03:40 PM
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#23
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Hempstead Tx
Posts: 213
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: t444e
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He lifts mulk jugs one handed.
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08-20-2016, 06:56 AM
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#24
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Hempstead Tx
Posts: 213
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: t444e
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08-20-2016, 07:42 AM
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#25
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Interesting- looks like bluebird uses the tar (asphalteum to be specific) on some buses too. I've seen under the interior panels of an 88 BB and it didn't have any tar. I wonder if that was an option?
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08-20-2016, 08:52 AM
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#26
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,760
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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maybe it was a year thing? or geographic? ive found there are a lot of things done to busses based on geoprgraphic locations..
Like certain states required the driver and door side windows of busses made after a certain date to have double pane windows to elp with snow and ice...
-Christopher
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08-20-2016, 09:01 AM
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#27
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Hempstead Tx
Posts: 213
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: t444e
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I think it may have to do with high humidity, the insude panels dont seem to sweat much
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08-20-2016, 09:32 AM
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#28
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiliChzPoopTart
I think it may have to do with high humidity, the insude panels dont seem to sweat much
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Mine were sweating UNDER the tar.
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08-20-2016, 12:32 PM
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#29
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Hempstead Tx
Posts: 213
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: t444e
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That's what happens when you live in a swamp.
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08-20-2016, 12:42 PM
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#30
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Hempstead Tx
Posts: 213
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: t444e
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2 more roof panels down and that front panel that covers the nose lights. Did anyone put that panels back up? seems like a good base for mounting stuff. Supposedly my seats and other scrap are getting hauled off today, if he bails I'm just going to flag down one of the numerous scrappers in town. I'm holding onto 3 seats for now, one for a friend to mount in his work van and 2 as a temp until I can make it to LKQ and get the rear benches out of an early 2000s Escalade, with built in seatbelts.
My bench seats have seatbelts so if anyone in Houstonish wants one speak now or forever hold your peace.
Got the cover off my A/C so I have an idea what I'm working with, its got 3 blowers so I may duct one or two to the front of the bus for OTR A/C.
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08-20-2016, 05:25 PM
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#31
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Houston, Tx.
Posts: 403
Year: 1999
Coachwork: AmTran
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 84
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Great progress Chili. Today's heat was a bi*ch. I got some done on mine as well and will post pics.
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08-20-2016, 09:03 PM
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#32
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Hempstead Tx
Posts: 213
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: t444e
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Nah man, it was pleasant today, you spend too much time in the a/c ;) . We got woken up at 6:30am for the Watermelon walk for the fallen, Youngster loved seeing some planes in formation, sky divers, all kinds of goodies. FIL came by and gave the bus a thumbsup on the mechanical side, also showed me how to take down my a/c to get my last 2 roof panels out.
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08-20-2016, 10:24 PM
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#33
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,760
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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if you are keeping that Air unit, clean it up wile you have it apart.. te drain lines love to clog on those as do the coils... and be careful wit htose refrigerant lines... the rubber will crack or kink if you leave it in a stressed position too long... im assuming you supported it someow...
you COULD move that evaporator to the front of the bus and re-pipe it in if you want it for road A/C rather tan attempted to duct it...
those lines are easy to make...
-Christopher
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08-21-2016, 06:27 AM
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#34
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Houston, Tx.
Posts: 403
Year: 1999
Coachwork: AmTran
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiliChzPoopTart
Nah man, it was pleasant today, you spend too much time in the a/c ;) . We got woken up at 6:30am for the Watermelon walk for the fallen, Youngster loved seeing some planes in formation, sky divers, all kinds of goodies. FIL came by and gave the bus a thumbsup on the mechanical side, also showed me how to take down my a/c to get my last 2 roof panels out.
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You are correct, that a/c will spoil a person. I just need a good fan to keep the air moving.
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08-21-2016, 06:33 AM
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#35
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Houston, Tx.
Posts: 403
Year: 1999
Coachwork: AmTran
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466E
Rated Cap: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cadillackid
if you are keeping that Air unit, clean it up wile you have it apart.. te drain lines love to clog on those as do the coils... and be careful wit htose refrigerant lines... the rubber will crack or kink if you leave it in a stressed position too long... im assuming you supported it someow...
you COULD move that evaporator to the front of the bus and re-pipe it in if you want it for road A/C rather tan attempted to duct it...
those lines are easy to make...
-Christopher
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I did take the front panel off and the fins were pretty clogged. I saw on youtube a while back about someone cleaning their rooftop a/c fins with a spay bottle of cleaner/dissolver. Is there anything special about the formula or will any cleaner/degreaser work like 409 or something?
That a/c unit is just temporary while I do the demo for the next 2 months. After then it will start to cool down here in Houston. By the time next summer rolls around it'll be fully insulated, new insulating paint on the roof, and I may even pay for a covered spot so the heat won't be as much of a factor.
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08-21-2016, 07:29 AM
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#36
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Eustis FLORIDA
Posts: 23,764
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Freighliner FS65
Engine: Cat 3126
Rated Cap: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiliChzPoopTart
That's what happens when you live in a swamp.
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I didn't know they had swamps in KY.
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08-21-2016, 08:07 AM
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#37
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,760
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyboyHPD
I did take the front panel off and the fins were pretty clogged. I saw on youtube a while back about someone cleaning their rooftop a/c fins with a spay bottle of cleaner/dissolver. Is there anything special about the formula or will any cleaner/degreaser work like 409 or something?
That a/c unit is just temporary while I do the demo for the next 2 months. After then it will start to cool down here in Houston. By the time next summer rolls around it'll be fully insulated, new insulating paint on the roof, and I may even pay for a covered spot so the heat won't be as much of a factor.
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depending on the coils you have to be careful with certain acid cleaners as they can eat the solder that was used to make the coils.. alot of time of the dirt is topical... you can get it wet then use a coil brush and the glop will just come off...
you can use a nice no rinse cleaner.. you want no rinse as its tough to hose inside of the bus around the A/C unit.
https://www.amazon.com/Nu-Calgon-417...SIN=B00DM8KQ3I
you will also want to clean the coils underneath the bus too as those get very dirty too (im talking coach A/C)..
even insulated heat will still be a factor.. you will want air-conditioning esp for driving as school busses put off a ton of engine heat.. RE busses dont have that issue but conventionals and front engine busses tend to have "hot-seat" in the driver position...
-Christopher
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08-21-2016, 09:00 AM
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#38
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Hempstead Tx
Posts: 213
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: t444e
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Take down should be pretty easy, its got quick connects on all the lines from up front, handful of wires that I will be taking pictures of. It's supported with 4 pieces of all thread so I'm thinking put my scaffold under it, shimmy up to it with some block then disco and gun the nuts off. We shall see.
I like the unit being at the back as it's (more or less) out of the way so I think ducting will be my best option.
Sorry CB, it says Florida on the left.
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08-21-2016, 09:11 AM
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#39
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,760
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiliChzPoopTart
Take down should be pretty easy, its got quick connects on all the lines from up front, handful of wires that I will be taking pictures of. It's supported with 4 pieces of all thread so I'm thinking put my scaffold under it, shimmy up to it with some block then disco and gun the nuts off. We shall see.
I like the unit being at the back as it's (more or less) out of the way so I think ducting will be my best option.
Sorry CB, it says Florida on the left.
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be sure to recover the freon first!!!! dont just yank the lines... freon can and will destroy eyes and skin ifyou arent careful...
then tape off the lines to keep dirt out... blue tape works fine..
when you re-install it, replace the receiver / drier (near the condenser usually).. evacuate to a vacuum and recharge... evacuating is important if you want it to cool most effectively...
your air-conditioner can still give you many more years of service if you treat it right.
-Christopher
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08-21-2016, 10:15 AM
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#40
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Skoolie
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Hempstead Tx
Posts: 213
Year: 2000
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: International
Engine: t444e
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Don't worry, we're earth friendly down here FIL will be recovering and then handling the recharge, He's a major gearhead. Should have stated that.
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