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Old 01-14-2012, 02:25 PM   #21
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Winter has returned to The Great White North and the Roach Motel as been shipped off to the auto shop to be exorcised of it's demons. The drive over to the shop was an adventure in itself. I had disconnected the electric door mechanism and thought that friction would keep the door closed during the trip. Imagine my surprise when the door popped open on a gentle left hand turn. Visions of mail boxes smashing the door flashed through my mind so I stopped and tried to wedge the door tight with a tree branch but it managed to shake loose within a few miles. When I pick it up I'll bring some rope to tie the thing shut.

CraigsList came through for me in the form of two nearly pristine captain's chairs. The guy had put casters on the bases and used them as office chairs until he retired just lately. $100 bucks for the pair was the deal of the century. Only problem is the swivel bases are missing the part that bolts to the floor. I e-mailed the manufacturer about getting parts but I fear that's futile. I'll probably end up modifying one base into a fixed drivers base and buying a new swivel base for the passenger seat.



Before taking the thing to the shop I checked the fit of my grey tank. It's only a 15 gallon barrel and I'm glad I didn't try to go larger. It's a tight fit back behind the driver's side rear wheel well. I'll build a plywood support for the top of it and aluminum straps to bolt it to the floor. Luckily, the tank will snug right up to the rear leaf spring pivot anchoring the front of the tank nicely.



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One of the captains chairs will double as the passenger seat and part of the dinette but I haven't quite got that sorted out yet. I thought of putting both captains chairs together as one side of the dinette but they're a bit too wide.
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Old 01-14-2012, 03:06 PM   #22
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Are you sure you want a "clipped" mattress?
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Old 01-14-2012, 05:49 PM   #23
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I'd rather have an unclipped mattress but without the clip we'd only have a 16" aisle. That seems a bit small to me. With the clip we have a 23" aisle. 16" would work but I forsee lots of barked shins on the corner of the bed. Presently when camping we sleep in our van, and that sleeping area is about the size of the clipped end of the mattress. Another 8" of sprawling out space will be very nice.

Once the insulated floor is in I'll mock up all the major modules out of cardboard so we can decide what works before firing up the table saw.
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I would think of as how often would that 16 be that bad?you don't go to the shower in the dark.and some padding with say the extra space under the corner for you feet would be good and if it's "difficult" to make it to the bathroom...it would be better to fall onto a soft mattress
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Old 01-14-2012, 08:51 PM   #25
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We have 15" on both sides of the bed (Island) in the bus.
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Also having limited space to work with, I am going with a combination shower/toilet and will use the "kitchen" sink for all hand washing. Saves a lot of space and you can get ready-made shower pans that are configured for that set up since they are common on many smaller units. Another idea I had after living with a little 21' Toyota Odyssey for a while, was to reclaim the otherwise lost space in the shower. It gets only occasional use, yet takes up a large interior volume. It can be turned into significant storage by building a swing out set of shelves/drawers that fit into the area above the toilet. What I'm planning will form a shower door when closed with access to the storage from the aisle.

You can get an idea of the layout in the GoogleSketch below...it is the space on the driver side where the "porthole" is. My layout is in 15 feet and has to accommodate a tool storage area in the rear, so in reality, everything else has to fit in only about 8-9 feet (the sofa is a jackknife bed).

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All your suggestions are completely reasonable, we'll just have to mock it up without the clip and see how it works. At this point all options are on the table. I will concede that it's way easier to clip an unclipped mattress than the other way around.
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If you have a sink in the kitchenette, I would suggest removing the secondary sink from your bathroom area and simply making the entrance to the shower on that side of the bus where the bathroom sink is now shown. This saves on some plumbing, some cleaning (one less sink), and the hassle of fitting sheets to an odd sized mattress.
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We've debated about deleting the bathroom sink. Plumbing isn't that big a deal since the drain line from the kitchen will run right past the bathroom sink on its way to the grey tank so if I can install one without too much jacking around I'll do it. Otherwise, forget the sink.

The main sticking point in the great aisle controversey is the blasted wheel well. If not for that we could have a nice wide aisle and a full width bed. The floorplan shows the porta-pottie sitting on the wheelwell with a 3/4" plywood wall next to it. An alternate floorplan had the entire wheelwell enclosed as a closet and the PP next to the shower with no sink. I do like the idea of more storage and less plumbing. If the sink doesn't make the cut that will make my life easier all the way around.
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... The main sticking point in the great aisle controversey is the blasted wheel well...
Darn those pesky wheel wells! They are always in the way. Bus builders need to just bury them under the floor so that the folks who convert later down the road will have a nice smooth floor to work with!
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