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Old 05-21-2016, 11:08 PM   #21
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It is a nice earth friendly thought. Not good for a budged though.

In a few years you should be able to buy a used hybrid bus. I'm curious to know if they'll resell high or not.
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Old 05-22-2016, 12:43 AM   #22
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I was reading somewhere on here that someone wanted to do something similar. I think all of us "old timers" agreed that if you "felt guilty" driving a diesel, maybe a bus isn't something you should invest in. If you have that kind of money, buy something brand new and gut it and make it into what you want. The new city buses in Phoenix are Hybrid. I am sure you could get one for $100K.

Just a suggestion, but that is all it is.

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Old 05-22-2016, 01:13 AM   #23
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I was reading somewhere on here that someone wanted to do something similar. I think all of us "old timers" agreed that if you "felt guilty" driving a diesel, maybe a bus isn't something you should invest in. If you have that kind of money, buy something brand new and gut it and make it into what you want. The new city buses in Phoenix are Hybrid. I am sure you could get one for $100K.

Just a suggestion, but that is all it is.

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I don't what kind of buses they bought but I'm pretty sure they paid more than $100k. You could easily pay that for a bus built on a F550 chassis.
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Old 05-22-2016, 07:28 AM   #24
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Welcome to our community(I'm new as well), If eco friendly is your concern, I think you should look into vegetable oil conversions, the conversion is relatively simple (but complicated enough for me not to bother) and will be eco friendly as you desire, also you'll still be able to use regular diesel if you don't have any vege oil around.
One of the big problems with veggie oil conversions is that it's getting harder and harder to find someone willing to just give you WVO. It might just be easier to keep it diesel. Remember, we're repurposing something that would have been sent either to the crusher or shipped overseas so that right their should assuage some guilt.
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IC built some hybrid drive school and commercial buses a few years ago. The hybrid drive was an Eaton unit.

On the right routes they weren't bad. Right being defined as no hills and no speeds over 35 MPH. Once you started going up hills or over 35 MPH you went out of hybrid drive and into diesel only. At that point the diesel only portion was not nearly as economical as regular diesel buses of the same size.

The cost to repair the Eaton hybrid drive units was astronomical. It was hoped the drive unit would become popular and economy of scale would then prevail. It didn't get popular so the cost of the units and the cost to repair them have yet to come down in price.

The Salem, OR transit authority has/had two of them. They spend more time in the shop than they do on the road. The reasons are legion but the bottom line is the technology is not proven as far as I am concerned.

Personally, I think the fact that you are thinking of repurposing a bus for a useful second life is eco-friendly enough.
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My goal is to reduce the weight of my bus, reuse as much of the materials as I strip out of it and recycle the remaining materials... it doesn't get more eco-friendly than that!
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Old 05-22-2016, 04:05 PM   #28
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There are a lot of really nice looking CNG buses for cheap usually. Most people don't have access to a CNG fueling station. In cities you can get a CNG compressor that fills your car, so it's possible to do that with a bus too if you can find one of those home fueling compressors.
Used CNG stuff is CHEAP FOR A REASON. My uncle is near the top of a medium sized American trucking company that USED to use CNG trucks.

They purchased them because major clients wanted them as part of a "green" initiative. These trucks which they paid more for, lasted about half as long as their diesel counterparts. They were also forced to buy several CNG refuel trucks as the CNG trucks were getting stranded due to weather and running out of fuel.
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Old 05-22-2016, 07:37 PM   #29
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Is propane any better?
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Is propane any better?
If your asking me, I have no experience either way and my uncle never said anything about propane.

Although if I remember correctly, it does burn "dryer". Which if I understand correctly is the problem.
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