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Old 05-22-2016, 09:03 PM   #31
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I don't pretend to have an opinion, but I do know that propane vehicles or even propane carburetors sell for a premium in Canada. They often come down and get propane vehicles because it is, or was, a much cheaper fuel source within the country. Bearable even in the US I'm told.
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:18 PM   #32
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While being able to have a hybrid bus would be nice; it is not yet a scientific reality--we just don't posses the power-storage capability in any sort of realistically imaginable possible configuration OR budget. Perhaps one day, after LiFe (Li-Ion) batteries become old-news and we've moved on to some other form of chemical storage, maybe. You COULD design and MAKE a hybrid skoolie, but it would realistically only be as a proof-of-concept; because it would be so expensive, that you would probably already be living out of some other Provost Class 'A' RV.

You shouldn't feel guilty about driving a diesel, because diesels are actually greener engines than combustion engines. They're built to higher standards, being compression engines, and they combust the fuel mixtures better, when they are operating within standards. The newer engines, using the DEF also have a catalyst on their exhaust fumes to further reduce what pollutants come out of the engines. The older engines, when properly maintained, have quite clean exhaust, whether you're burning old-skool diesel, the new 5% Bio-fuel ULSD mixture, or Waste Motor-Oil blended with gasoline or kerosene; hell, I've burned Waste Auto-Tranny Fluid and passed an emissions test. Your engine will combust its fuel-air mixture as clean as you can keep your engine.

Gasoline/combustion engines are more popular here in the states because capitalism, which likes cheap production. Diesel compression engines are more popular in the rest of the world because they are more efficient, and they last longer, which reduces the waste going to landfills. And even though you may be using a relatively large-volume engine, it's closer to the proper size for moving what you want where you want than a car is. Think about a 5.3L diesel engine moving an 8-ton home, and then compare it to a 5.0L mustang moving 4600 lbs with a 200-pound jackass inside--which is being more efficient.

Lastly, only around 20-25% or so of the greenhouse gas problem comes from transportation and fuels for power generation, and the other 70-75% or so comes from cattle agriculture. I'm not a vegan, and I don't proselytize for vegetarianism, or even against eating beef, but if you want to save the environment, stop eating beef, because that is what has caused the most damage to the environment.
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Old 05-23-2016, 12:01 AM   #33
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Call me a dirty hippie, but getting WVO wouldn't be that hard. If you're fin ewith recycling it illegally you just need to syphon it out of any of the thousands of oil cans behind any restaurant you go to. If you want it legally you can talk to the owners of any restaurant and explain your situation and they will very likely give you permission to take their waste oil from their oil cans in back. At the restaurant I manage, we currently get paid about 0.02 per gallon of oil that gets recycled but I was told that gas prices are so low right now that a lot of restaurants have to pay per gallon to have it rid of.

Continuing on the diesel schoolbusses can be environmentally friendly argument. You have to think about the opportunity cost of these busses. If you don't adopt it, it will likely go to a less caring owner or slowly become landfill which would have a half life in the ground of about 2 billion years. Speaking of which, the environmental impact of producing a new RV is equivalent 20,000 gallons of diesel emission and that does not include the wasteful impacts of dumping old RV's. I have no sources for these numbers because I made them up, but conceptually it checks out.
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Old 05-23-2016, 09:18 AM   #34
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If your asking me, I have no experience either way and my uncle never said anything about propane.

Although if I remember correctly, it does burn "dryer". Which if I understand correctly is the problem.
Regular gasoline cars have been converted to propane in europe for decades, now. Matter of fact, Fiat (since my family is italian ) and other carmakers, roll gpl-ready vehicles right out of assembly line.

My dad used to work at a semi-large gas station that had a refueling station. These were extremely common by mid-90s.

It all started simply because of costs. Yes, you'd lose some performance, but gas prices were starting to be just too much. Then, the gov.t got in the middle, and hiked taxes on gpl, too
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Old 05-23-2016, 09:30 AM   #35
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I'm also still a proponent of the "greener on the surface isn't really greener" philosophy. Just because tailpipe emissions are lower on a Prius or Tesla doesn't mean their environmental impact is less. Lithium for batteries is very environmentally impactful to mine and refine; after its ten-year useful life a lithium battery is pretty much landfill. During its life it requires daily recharging and our current electrical power comes from *surprise* fossil fuels. So if you take one hundred million fossil fuel burning cars and trucks, (about 20% I think) replace them with plugins, what are you using to power the national power grid? There is no magical zero-pollution energy source that's going to feed our power-hungry modern lifestyle but you can do your part... Skoolie living represents reducing your footprint from the average-American-3k-square-foot home to about 300 square feet, becoming highly efficient with your energy and water usage, and the added bonus of being able to live independently and off-the-grid if you so desire. You reduce your consumption and waste and are reusing an otherwise landfill-bound vehicle. So don't let the liberal propaganda agenda make you think that just because it's a 'dirty' diesel engine that it's somehow evil.
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Old 05-23-2016, 09:31 AM   #36
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But yeah....i thought about this myself...it would be cool to attempt, if you had $$$ to burn, and lots of it.

Besides, just the amount of batteries needed to move that hulk of metal would weight as much as the bus!

Unless you're Tony Stark, then you'd have gigawatts in a little gizmo
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Old 05-23-2016, 10:30 AM   #37
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i think it'll be huge dollars to convert one... probably cheaper to buy a hybrid bus new, than to build it yourself.

also, not sure how green electric cars are, when you have to pay the electric company to burn something for your consumer power needs.

however, it would be a cool feat of engineering to do so.

if i were gonna make a bus hybrid, i'd make it like a train locomotive. no storage battery, just a big diesel motor running a big genny making the electric motorized wheels go round and round.


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i think it'll be huge dollars to convert one... probably cheaper to buy a hybrid bus new, than to build it yourself.

also, not sure how green electric cars are, when you have to pay the electric company to burn something for your consumer power needs.

however, it would be a cool feat of engineering to do so.

if i were gonna make a bus hybrid, i'd make it like a train locomotive. no storage battery, just a big diesel motor running a big genny making the electric motorized wheels go round and round.


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THAT'S AN IDEA!
Turn a bus into a giant Chevy VOLT! haven't thought of that! You could generate enough power to run your WHOLE HOUSE during hurricane/blizzard! season!
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That shouldn't be too bad, the engine runs at a consistent speed turning the generator and sans transmission you don't need a driveshaft... Just electric lines to a drive motor. You could also achieve all-wheel drive this way.
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That shouldn't be too bad, the engine runs at a consistent speed turning the generator and sans transmission you don't need a driveshaft... Just electric lines to a drive motor. You could also achieve all-wheel drive this way.
...And forget "standard" all-wheel drive....a single high-output electric motor per WHEEL!!!!!

Can you imagine turning a bus on a DIME!!!!
Sure, engineering alone of the whole plant would be a nightmare, but who cares!
Someone either needs to do this, or find someone else that already did it!
Because, as it was said before, "if you can think of it, someone else already did it!"
Google, where are you...?
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