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04-03-2018, 08:33 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Pendleton Indiana
Posts: 348
Year: 2010
Coachwork: IC
Engine: MF DT466
Rated Cap: 81
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4:88 gears will it move?
Just seeing if this bus will roll out decent? I dont know how to calculate this stuff and figured someone on here would have this setup and give a close idea of where it would be. Plan to have 6th gear unlocked and rev limit bumped up a little.
Hoping for the best after the auction playing with emotions. They put the bus up for 2 days then took it down. Now it has lettering and #s of it dont know if this is a legal thing. But it's back up and I am going all in if it seems in working order.
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04-03-2018, 08:44 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 8,462
Year: 1946
Coachwork: Chevrolet/Wayne
Chassis: 1- 1/2 ton
Engine: Cummins 4BT
Rated Cap: 15
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Below is a gearing/tire/speed calculator. Mighty handy for sorting out such things.
Engine RPM Calculator
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04-03-2018, 08:52 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Pendleton Indiana
Posts: 348
Year: 2010
Coachwork: IC
Engine: MF DT466
Rated Cap: 81
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That is a good app . But I dont have enough of the info to fill it out. Guess will keep fingers crossed to get bus and see from there.
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04-03-2018, 08:57 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles O Roads
That is a good app . But I dont have enough of the info to fill it out. Guess will keep fingers crossed to get bus and see from there.
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Tell me what you have.
Governed RPM of engine.
Type of transmission (assuming MD3060)
Tire size.
Make of bus
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04-03-2018, 09:01 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Thomas are best known for agreeing to 6th unlock. The others have fewer data-points.
If it's a Thomas ....
Assuming an engine governed speed of 2400 rpm, unlocking 6th would give you around 92 mph, and about 79 mph in 5th at the rev limit.
Thomas are not going to agree to that unless you have an electronic engine that can be governed to a speed limit (say 75 mph).
Even with a 2200 rpm rev limit it's going to be a dicey proposal.
Those numbers are with 22.5 tires.
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04-03-2018, 09:16 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Pendleton Indiana
Posts: 348
Year: 2010
Coachwork: IC
Engine: MF DT466
Rated Cap: 81
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It is an IC. Has 2400 limit. Will agree to a 68mph limit if it will get them to do it. Computer has to be flashed to remove a few things anyways. So I need to get trans done first if at all possible or find another company that will flash the trans to unlock after. Ohh,and yes 22.5 and electronic.
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04-03-2018, 09:34 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles O Roads
It is an IC. Has 2400 limit. Will agree to a 68mph limit if it will get them to do it. Computer has to be flashed to remove a few things anyways. So I need to get trans done first if at all possible or find another company that will flash the trans to unlock after. Ohh,and yes 22.5 and electronic.
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There are no reliable reports of any independent contractor flashing the TCU of the Allison transmission. It's not a simple thing to do. The new code that Allison supply the dealer is not a simple "throw a switch in the software", it is a re-programming of all of the shift points and clutch timings. It requires proprietary software.
I haven't heard of International agreeing to this change, but contact them and let us know how you get on.
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04-03-2018, 10:21 AM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Pendleton Indiana
Posts: 348
Year: 2010
Coachwork: IC
Engine: MF DT466
Rated Cap: 81
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Is it a 1 and done type deal or if you could convince dealership say someone getting a Thomas done be able to flash the same time?
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04-03-2018, 11:29 AM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles O Roads
Is it a 1 and done type deal or if you could convince dealership say someone getting a Thomas done be able to flash the same time?
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Nope. They thought of that.
The way it is done is that Allison need an authorization letter from the OEM manufacturer.
Once they have that, and if their engineers agree, they get the transmission details from you.
Then they produce a new code and a download link for an authorized tech.
The tech then flashes that code to your TCU.
They may, or may not impose additional conditions.
It's not expensive, but it is time-consuming.
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04-03-2018, 12:23 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 18,758
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Carpenter
Chassis: International 3800
Engine: DTA360 / MT643
Rated Cap: 7 Row Handicap
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when you say its an IC.. is it a rear engine with a DT466E? or a front engine? the trans shifter have a lever or is it pushbutton with a display?
-Christopher
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04-03-2018, 01:24 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Pendleton Indiana
Posts: 348
Year: 2010
Coachwork: IC
Engine: MF DT466
Rated Cap: 81
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Its a RE MFdt466. I would say push button its a 2010. Cant see it till 2 days before the sale.
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04-03-2018, 01:35 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Pendleton Indiana
Posts: 348
Year: 2010
Coachwork: IC
Engine: MF DT466
Rated Cap: 81
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Line set list MFdt 285hp/2400gov latched to allisonxmsn 3000 pts 5spd L/pto Lretr
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04-03-2018, 02:29 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles O Roads
Line set list MFdt 285hp/2400gov latched to allisonxmsn 3000 pts 5spd L/pto Lretr
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Are you sure it's the DT466 and not the DT530?
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04-03-2018, 02:34 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Pendleton Indiana
Posts: 348
Year: 2010
Coachwork: IC
Engine: MF DT466
Rated Cap: 81
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twigg
Are you sure it's the DT466 and not the DT530?
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Pretty sure 466. They list it as maxxforceDT and the rest of the motors are like MF9 and 13. Dt only listed as 466
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04-03-2018, 02:46 PM
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Owasso, OK
Posts: 2,627
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Saf-T-Liner MVP ER
Engine: Cummins 6CTA8.3 Mechanical MD3060
Rated Cap: 46 Coach Seats, 40 foot
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miles O Roads
Pretty sure 466. They list it as maxxforceDT and the rest of the motors are like MF9 and 13. Dt only listed as 466
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Okay ... The MaxxforceDT is not the most popular engine either here or in bus barns the country over.
It's not a question of "if" the emissions controls will give you trouble, but when they will give you trouble.
Same goes for the CAT C7 and ACERT.
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04-03-2018, 06:47 PM
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Pendleton Indiana
Posts: 348
Year: 2010
Coachwork: IC
Engine: MF DT466
Rated Cap: 81
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Got the emissions side of it covered,just hoping to get it bought. Plan to give more than its worth for convenience and hoping ppl stay away cause the motor.
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