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08-25-2019, 11:55 AM
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#41
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Western Oregon
Posts: 876
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue-Bird
Chassis: TC RE 3408
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 12V Mechanical/Allison MT643
Rated Cap: Blue-Bird says 72 pass.
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Right, I always forget the headlight fluid. Thanks for reminding me.
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08-25-2019, 11:59 AM
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#42
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
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Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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And don't forget to lube the key.
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08-25-2019, 12:04 PM
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#43
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: SW USA
Posts: 2,064
Year: 2003
Coachwork: IC / Amtran
Chassis: CE300
Engine: International T444e
Rated Cap: 23
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Originally Posted by gs1949
Right, I always forget the headlight fluid. Thanks for reminding me.
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Don't forget, you're supposed to check the level of the headlight fluid only after the lights have warmed up to operating temperature. Failure to do so may compromise the flux capacitor.
Speaking of which, OP... when the engine does start, what happens when you reach 88mph?
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08-25-2019, 12:05 PM
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#44
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Western Oregon
Posts: 876
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue-Bird
Chassis: TC RE 3408
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 12V Mechanical/Allison MT643
Rated Cap: Blue-Bird says 72 pass.
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Lubrication might actually help a little. If this had happened to me, my very first step would have been to apply some graphite-based lock lubricant, and see if that made ANY difference. Lubrication probably would not have been enough to fix the problem in this case, but it would loosen that lock mechanism up and at least eliminate that as the complete problem.
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08-25-2019, 12:07 PM
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#45
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,988
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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did anybody say KEY SWITCH?
i know i am late to the party again.
if not built into the switch depending on year make model etc.
ignition control module
seperate starter solenoid with the ignition contact in it
several design options depending on what you have?
if you have solenoids seperate from the KEY SWITCH check for power in and out of them with the key in its respected positions and or use a jumper wire from hot to the I for ignition and start the bus
sometimes a BFH works also
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08-25-2019, 12:08 PM
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#46
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Western Oregon
Posts: 876
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue-Bird
Chassis: TC RE 3408
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 12V Mechanical/Allison MT643
Rated Cap: Blue-Bird says 72 pass.
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Precisely 88 mph? Like in Back to the Future to initiate time travel? Cool, I'd better make sure my bus can do 88 mph, just in case I want to go sometime.
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08-25-2019, 12:20 PM
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#47
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: SW USA
Posts: 2,064
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Chassis: CE300
Engine: International T444e
Rated Cap: 23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1949
Precisely 88 mph? Like in Back to the Future to initiate time travel? Cool, I'd better make sure my bus can do 88 mph, just in case I want to go sometime.
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Exactly. That's why dealerships are often reluctant to remove the governor for you. Huge legal liability if you go back in time and change the future.
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08-25-2019, 12:22 PM
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#48
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,988
Year: 86
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Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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funny you mention that?
i almost said in my post that if the key switch shop didnt work then he needed to stick a screwdriver in the Flux Capacitor
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08-25-2019, 12:24 PM
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#49
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Western Oregon
Posts: 876
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue-Bird
Chassis: TC RE 3408
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 12V Mechanical/Allison MT643
Rated Cap: Blue-Bird says 72 pass.
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Yes, the flux capacitor, everyone, including me, forgot about that. That's got to be where the problem is. Good call guys.
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08-25-2019, 12:33 PM
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#50
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,988
Year: 86
Coachwork: Thomas
Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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if the wiring through the key switch to ignition control module to ignition solenoid to the ECM before the BMS and then out to Flux capacitor before it energizes the motor is not making good contact you can open it up and wedge a screwdriver in between the post with a BFH does the trick everytime
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08-25-2019, 01:04 PM
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#51
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Bus Crazy
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Picton,Ont, Can.
Posts: 1,956
Year: 1997
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: GMC
Engine: Cat 3116
Rated Cap: 72
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
And don't forget to lube the key.
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Glad you slept on this idea. Now you are starting to understand the start circuit. Begins with turning the key and releasing it after engine start.
KISS, easy things first.
Still don't think you are qualified about electrical advice for anybody's issues.
John
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08-25-2019, 01:31 PM
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#52
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
Coachwork: Genesis
Chassis: International
Engine: DT466/3060
Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackJohn
Glad you slept on this idea. Now you are starting to understand the start circuit. Begins with turning the key and releasing it after engine start.
KISS, easy things first.
Still don't think you are qualified about electrical advice for anybody's issues.
John
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Turning the key and releasing it after engine starts has been established as working. It has no bearing on the electrical part of the switch behind the tumblers. I have said nothing in this thread that is inaccurate.
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Just curious, where is your bus build?
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08-25-2019, 02:23 PM
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#53
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,988
Year: 86
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Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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i know i am not a moderator but?
john and marc.
PM each other if you want to keep this up the OP hasnt responded but that doesnt meen that this is an open thread for yall to argue on?
the op has been given advice for his question now you to shut up until the OP responds and you have helpfull opinions to the OP.
everyone has experience in something but no one is experienced in everything
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08-25-2019, 02:35 PM
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#54
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,988
Year: 86
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Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
Turning the key and releasing it after engine starts has been established as working. It has no bearing on the electrical part of the switch behind the tumblers. I have said nothing in this thread that is inaccurate.
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Just curious, where is your bus build?
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you must be reading things wrong?
original post said thee thing starts but when he/she/it lets off of the key switch after starting it dies
aint about the tumblers cause the key turns it over.
i think they have a seperate starter ignition solenoid that needs attention
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08-25-2019, 02:47 PM
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#55
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dawsonville, Ga.
Posts: 10,482
Year: 1999
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Chassis: International
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Rated Cap: 77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
you must be reading things wrong?
original post said thee thing starts but when he/she/it lets off of the key switch after starting it dies
aint about the tumblers cause the key turns it over.
i think they have a seperate starter ignition solenoid that needs attention
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I agreed in the beginning, it's a faulty switch. BlackJohn was the one recommending the dumb idea of lubing the tumbler, as if that has something to do with the issue.
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08-25-2019, 02:53 PM
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#56
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Huntington Beach CA.
Posts: 939
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: T/C 2000 28 foot Handy Bus
Engine: Cummins 5.9 Mechanical
Rated Cap: 2
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Quote:
Originally Posted by o1marc
BlackJohn was the one recommending the dumb idea
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Ad Hominem attack 15 yard penalty
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08-25-2019, 03:44 PM
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#57
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Swansboro,NC
Posts: 2,988
Year: 86
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Chassis: Ford B700
Engine: 8.2
Rated Cap: 60 bodies
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rivetboy
Ad Hominem attack 15 yard penalty
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gracias. usally say grassy ass cause it sounds the same in passing?
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08-25-2019, 03:53 PM
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#58
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Huntington Beach CA.
Posts: 939
Year: 1991
Coachwork: Bluebird
Chassis: T/C 2000 28 foot Handy Bus
Engine: Cummins 5.9 Mechanical
Rated Cap: 2
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Roger bus 223
gracias. usally say grassy ass cause it sounds the same in passing?
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Why not both
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08-25-2019, 03:59 PM
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#59
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Bus Geek
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Philadelphia
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Year: 2003
Coachwork: International
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew Bru
Maybe I'm outta line here, as I'm not too mechanically inclined, but topping off the headlight fluid first might alleviate the need for new headlights.
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One of my headlights is actually half full of fluid. I've been planning to replace it but maybe I just haven't been optimistic enough.
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08-25-2019, 04:02 PM
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#60
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Bus Nut
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Western Oregon
Posts: 876
Year: 1995
Coachwork: Blue-Bird
Chassis: TC RE 3408
Engine: 5.9 Cummins 12V Mechanical/Allison MT643
Rated Cap: Blue-Bird says 72 pass.
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Optimistic? Yes having optimism once in a while is important. Sometimes that's difficult though.
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