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Old 03-12-2017, 08:00 PM   #1
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park brake mystery air line

i've known i had a slow air leak for a while. It takes over nite to air down and i've been all over the brake lines and tubing with a soapy bottle trying to find the leak. no luck.
today, while working on my dash board gauges, i noticed an audible leak that you don't hear with the dash board closed up.

the elbows into the pressure gauge seem to be my leaky culprits and i'll replace them in a day or so.

while inspecting the system in the dash. the parking brake control knob also was leaking out of the exhaust port. i took it out and cleaned up the valve which seemed to fix that leak.

when i started to reassemble the park valve in the dash, i noticed what looks like a broken air fitting on a line that doesnt attach anywhere.

each air line is a different color so i looked on the internet and found this:

black - wet air (charging)
green - tank #1 (primary)
orange - tank#2 (secondary)
red - tank #3 (park brake and trailer supply)
yellow - park control ore service brake

the mystery line is a black one. it almost reaches the exhaust port on the park valve, but not quite. i don't know what else it would be for in the dash.

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it wasnt hooked to anything. the back of the parking valve may be part of the elbow on the black line. there is no fitting on one side of that elbow.

any help or wisdom appreciated.
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:09 AM   #2
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Perhaps a dump for the park-brake. Even if there is no fitting, the valve may have been replaced. Also, could be an airline for the Stop-sign. Or possible for the wipers? or air-door actuator? I'm not sure what your bus has on it that requires air.. Or perhaps it was "plumbed" for one of these features that could have been used, but wasn't.
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:16 AM   #3
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thanks SDR,

after sleeping on it and looking at the black hose and its fitting. i'm pretty sure the black hose goes on the exhaust port of the valve.

the broken elbow (no fitting) on the black hose looks like the broken part is coming off of the back of the parking brake.

i'll get a new elbow and see if i can stretch that black line to fit back on the valve.
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:45 PM   #4
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i followed the black line as best i could, and i believe its just open under the bus. at least one black hose from the dash is open anyway.

i had 5 brass elbows and it was hard to tell which ones leaked or not. b ut i replaced 4 of them and wow! what a difference. its truly quiet in the cab when you shut down the motor.

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Old 03-13-2017, 02:54 PM   #5
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. its truly quiet in the cab when you shut down the motor.

Dang: How loud was your air-leak? My park brake valve leaks a tiny bit, just enough to hear if it is dead-quiet. If I give it just a tiny tap, it seals off. Somewhere I leak though; Over 4 or 5 days my pressure drops down to 50 or 60 psi.....
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Old 03-13-2017, 03:00 PM   #6
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lol, it wasn't loud. i was just surprised how quiet it was. the whoosh of the airbrakes valve vents outside now and there was some "hee haw" of an air valve that would go on for 30-60 minutes after i shut her down.

my bus has never held air overnight. its nice to find these leaks that have been hiding.
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Old 03-13-2017, 11:23 PM   #7
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pretty much all wrapped up. New gauges working!!!

i still need a bushing (metric or flare to npt) to fit the oil temp back in. its in, but the wrong thread and leaking.

I'm happy to see it all work!

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