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Old 06-19-2015, 04:04 PM   #21
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Thanks jazty. I went out and got the CAT battery charger from home depot. Attached them to the bus and started to charge. Within a few minutes, the lcd indicated a "bad battery" state (or whatever that was supposed to mean). It comes with a "reconditioner" function, so I figured it couldn't hurt to leave that on overnight and see how things progress tomorrow. The home depot return policy is pretty lenient, so we'll see...
Nice.. Even if you do need new batteries, are you sure you want to return the charger? They're handy things to have and can get you out of future battery jambs.

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The fallback plan is to get a group 31 and or this: CAT 1000-Amp Pro Portable Jump Starter-CJ3000 - The Home Depot
I would skip the portable jump starter.. If you need a new battery anyway then you can just use that new battery and jumper cables to do the same thing.

If I were in your shoes I would approach the situation like this:

Let's say the bus batteries are completely useless.. You only need to move the bus 15 feet..
Get new battery; charge battery fully; put battery on a step in the front door; jump battery to starter; try to start.
Don't operate the starter for too long. Those booster cables will burn up.
If it starts, great! Carefully and slowly move the bus backwards. Have a second set of hands to handle the booster cable so it isn't getting stuck under the wheel and/or coming off of the contacts.
Now that the battery bay is accessible, swap out the batteries.
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Old 06-19-2015, 05:31 PM   #22
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And keep the charger! Even if you don't use it for the bus, its still useful for light vehicles.
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:24 PM   #23
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So I guess buying a $100 battery will probably be worth it. Looking at it again, I might not be able to push it far enough. How bad would cutting the battery cable really be? Couldn't I just repair it with some fancy connectors (like the battery leads) and a bunch of insulating material?
here's the situation I've gotten into with a AC/Delco Professional battery on a limousine... 850CCA, 7 year warranty, with 42 months FREE REPLACEMENT.
about 2 years the battery starts getting kinda flaky, because I don't run it enough... I text the dealer and tell him it's doing it again... he says bring it back, there'll be a new one, when you get here.

sure, I gave over $200 for the Commercial Fleet battery initially.... but I haven't bought one since!

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this works for my situation
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:36 PM   #24
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Ok yeah I'm totally with you Jazty, the only question I have is: say I get the new battery and connect it to the starter positive and ground terminals, but I leave the dead batteries in the circuit - would it be possible that the dead batteries would create some sort of current shunt that would keep the new fresh battery from properly providing current and starting the bus?

I suppose if I keep the charger I could give it a shot with the dead batteries connected once, and if it doesn't work, recharge the fresh battery and then try to disconnect the dead batteries and give it another go.
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Old 06-20-2015, 02:45 AM   #25
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here's the situation I've gotten into with a AC/Delco Professional battery on a limousine... 850CCA, 7 year warranty, with 42 months FREE REPLACEMENT.
about 2 years the battery starts getting kinda flaky, because I don't run it enough... I text the dealer and tell him it's doing it again... he says bring it back, there'll be a new one, when you get here.

sure, I gave over $200 for the Commercial Fleet battery initially.... but I haven't bought one since!

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$200 for a battery? Not sure if your limo is a Lincoln or not. Lincoln has a group 65 battery. Less than a hundred bucks at Costco. Free replacement, no questions asked for 36 months. Might have raised it 42 months. Their batteries are made by Interstate.
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Ok yeah I'm totally with you Jazty, the only question I have is: say I get the new battery and connect it to the starter positive and ground terminals, but I leave the dead batteries in the circuit - would it be possible that the dead batteries would create some sort of current shunt that would keep the new fresh battery from properly providing current and starting the bus?

I suppose if I keep the charger I could give it a shot with the dead batteries connected once, and if it doesn't work, recharge the fresh battery and then try to disconnect the dead batteries and give it another go.
I don't think you want to leave a dead battery connected to a new one. Pretty sure it will suck juice out of the new battery.
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Old 06-20-2015, 03:39 AM   #27
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$200 for a battery? Not sure if your limo is a Lincoln or not. Lincoln has a group 65 battery. Less than a hundred bucks at Costco. Free replacement, no questions asked for 36 months. Might have raised it 42 months. Their batteries are made by Interstate.
you are correct on all counts... but, I don't know the groups.
my nearest costco is 184 miles away.
I support my local tire and auto mechanic (established 1963) that I've used since the mid 80's. I know the interstate truck delivers to him. he won't sell any others

If they mark my battery up that much, it's fine by me... I haven't bought another one in many years, and the son of the owner has used my limousine services many times in the past, and he's hired me for his daughter's prom, 21st. birthday, and wedding... back scratching goes a long ways sometimes.

Owner passed away recently, and now deal solely with son. He offered me Razorback games tickets several times, but I don't watch football (his family are alumni business supporters)

I stopped running the service July 1st 2014, texted son last week and said battery went nipples up and he said bring it in.

As far as shopping around on this guy... never thought about it one time.
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Old 06-20-2015, 03:48 AM   #28
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dangit, now you got me wondering how bad he's getting to me

I'll have to look at my numbers

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Old 06-20-2015, 03:55 AM   #29
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you are correct on all counts... but, I don't know the groups.
my nearest costco is 184 miles away.
I support my local tire and auto mechanic (established 1963) that I've used since the mid 80's. I know the interstate truck delivers to him. he won't sell any others

If they mark my battery up that much, it's fine by me... I haven't bought another one in many years, and the son of the owner has used my limousine services many times in the past, and he's hired me for his daughter's prom, 21st. birthday, and wedding... back scratching goes a long ways sometimes.

Owner passed away recently, and now deal solely with son. He offered me Razorback games tickets several times, but I don't watch football (his family are alumni business supporters)

I stopped running the service July 1st 2014, texted son last week and said battery went nipples up and he said bring it in.

As far as shopping around on this guy... never thought about it one time.
Fair enough. One hand washes the other. I can understand that.

Kind of like the vending business I once had. A pump place called up and wanted the price of sodas dropped to $0.50. I asked my employee what we were charging. $0.55 he told me. I informed them that it was not possible. I had spent at least $1000 over the years having them repair my well pump. They called the next week and had us remove our soda machine. This business was 200 yards from my business. No problem. When I needed a pump installed on another property, I spent my $3000 someplace else. When a neighbor needed pumps for two wells they dug, I made sure they used someone else. Loyalty only works for me if it goes both ways.

That nickel they were crying about cost the at least $10,000 in business.
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Old 06-20-2015, 03:56 AM   #30
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I don't think you want to leave a dead battery connected to a new one. Pretty sure it will suck juice out of the new battery.
Ok - yeah I figured that but wasn't 100% sure. I'll see what I can do about disconnecting them but it's a serious pita - whoever designed the starter to sit in that particular location did not have my tool/skillset in mind.
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