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Old 04-27-2015, 02:11 AM   #1
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seeking someone with knowledge of older buses mine is a 64 bluebird

I went to pick my bus up and drive her home, I am on my own and none of those close to me could get time off, I paid for her in advance and when I got there I just got bad feelings about the seller not the bus itself.

One thing he said was that most clutches take brake fluid but the one for this bus did not it took power steering fluid, which did not make sense to me and worried me but I figured I could ask around before it became an issue

Sadly that was not the case my bus is now stuck at a shop in new mexico, that wont even look at her due to her age, I want to be able to do the work on her but need help in learning what to do, but I had to come home and leave her 562 miles away.

Does anyone know of a clutch system that does take power steering fluid? I am trying to weigh my options

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has a red button on shifter that I was told takes it from a 5 speed to a 11 speed granny ?
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Old 04-27-2015, 06:53 AM   #2
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wish i could help in person, you need someone to go back with you to diagnose the problem. is the clutch moving, is the drive shaft moving? the red button is a 2 speed rear end, hi lo so every gear has 2 speeds . could be clutch, transmition, drive shaft or rear end. if he told you about adding fluid for the clutch it could be your problem. did it go dry? you have air in the system witch is compressing not allowing the clutch to disengage. if you crank in gear does it want to roll?
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:51 AM   #3
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Did you go to the other website I recommended?

It should be easy to diagnose in person, that shop must be a bunch of monkeys
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Old 04-27-2015, 10:55 AM   #4
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All of the hydraulic clutch systems I have seen take brake fluid, if you add power steering fluid it will swell the cups on the pistons in both the master and slave cylinder which can cause them to stick or leak badly. Did the failure happen when you had the clutch pedal pushed down, as in shifting and as you let out the clutch it wouldn't engage again or were you using the two speed rear axle in conjunction with
the clutch at the time. We need to narrow down what happened first before we can
remotely diagnose the problem.
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Old 04-27-2015, 11:14 AM   #5
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All wet clutch linkages I have ever seen used brake fluid.

I would agree that if someone has used ATF you are going to have problems. Even if it didn't cause problems like Dragonpop described I would be concerned that the ATF can't handle the heat that brake fluid can handle.

Diagnosing the problem is pretty simple but you need to be a little more clear as to what the problem is.

If the clutch face is rusted onto the flywheel it will present itself as if the clutch is never releasing. This could be misdiagnosed as a linkage problem.

So the first thing you have to determine is if the clutch is releasing or not. If not, why.

If the linkage is moving but the clutch is not releasing then it is most likely either not moving enough or the clutch has rusted itself to the flywheel.

If the linkage is not moving then the problem is in the linkage. This could be either air in the system, rusted pistons in the slave or master cylinder that are not moving, or seals in the pistons have failed allowing the pressure to go past the cylinder instead of moving the cylinder.

So again, you need to determine why the clutch is not releasing before you start throwing parts at the bus.

If the bus will start and move under its own power there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to move the bus home or at least closer to home.

Shifting without the clutch releasing can be a real challenge but it can be done. The hardest part is needing to kill the engine at every stop to keep from moving forward.

Good luck and keep us informed of your progress.
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Old 04-27-2015, 01:19 PM   #6
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I wish you could go back with me too superdave trust me I do, if she is in gear and you crank she pulls forward, the clutch pedal never got soft or hard to push, when you let off the clutch the gears wont engage, first gear would work till the tow truck driver took off the drive shaft.

bansil I did register with them as soon as I got home to Texas, waiting for approval, but had to do so something, I think to many mechanics rely on their computers to fix the issues with vehicles these days, and the older vehicles that need to be diagnosed in person scare them.

Dragonpop I was using the basic 5 speed shifting pattern, it felt fine shifted to 1st then to 2nd on a ramp and when released the clutch pedal it did not engage so down shifted to first and tried a couple more times till I could got off the middle of the highway to not block the traffic, I could not find any leaks from the slave or clutch system nor did it seem dry to me, even if had would have hesitated about adding power steering to it, because like you I have never seen anything but brake fluid being used for a clutch system, and had been warned along time ago about what power steering would do if you used it and not brake fluid, but I don't know alot of things mechanically so wanted to verify before I did anything. going to try and get her home via uship if I can't going to have to let her go via ebay.

cowlitzcoach the clutch was working fine and stopped engaging only gear that seemed to work was 1st at that point not knowing why and not being able to get anyone to look at her I hitched a ride to greyhound and came home to try and get her home another way, I did not want to risk causing more damage to her or another vehicle along the way while I drove. I am also getting the info on here to help me with determining what I need to do to get her fixed once she gets home. I am living in a tent on my son`s land right now without any form of transportation, she was (is I hope) my home and freedom back.
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Old 04-27-2015, 02:39 PM   #7
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those guys are a lot of OTR drivers and friends, so they may be able to recommend someone, and at 1964, she ain't old ;)
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Old 04-27-2015, 02:45 PM   #8
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That's cool looking forward to talking to them, yep I agree she is only a year older then I am after all! But with everyone's reaction to her in Santa Rosa would have thought she was far older, I think they are use to doing rush job get a rig in and out asap, so they can get back to work, and they felt like my bus would be a long term project that would hold up one of their bays.
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If she is in gear and you crank she pulls forward, the clutch pedal never got soft or hard to push, when you let off the clutch the gears wont engage, first gear would work till the tow truck driver took off the drive shaft.
The clutch is stuck engaged.

This is great news.

This is the info we were trying to get.

Now get back to that bus, fire her up, and power shift her home.

Don't let this old girl go.

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Old 04-27-2015, 07:08 PM   #10
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Hey nat;

I had to rush home because one of my pups got stressed out about me being gone and bit my granddaughter the only thing that saved her from my son's wraith was his daughter's plea to not hurt Poppet, right now I don't have the ability to go back and get her but I am not planning on letting her go, and in truth not sure how I would do with power shifting her home, I had just gotten comfortable driving her the normal way. Plus when I was putting her in any gear besides 1st she would not move at all
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