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Old 11-06-2015, 10:02 PM   #11
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Thanks for the replies, most of the answers are inline with what I thought or have gathered
For the majority of my life my vehicles have had manuals, so I am accustomed to them. However, like EastCoast said "big stuff is no fun to drive in traffic with one"!
I was...curious because I have seen people talk about manuals in a bus like they were double-peckered Unicorn twins and wondered if there was a reason besides personal preference.
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Old 11-07-2015, 07:52 AM   #12
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My cars are always manuals, but big stuff is no fun to drive in traffic with one.
I, personally, don't see any difference. Driving a larger vehicle is scary the first time all around, but you quickly adapt. Once the shift pattern becomes second nature there's no difference except that - like was mentioned before - you can't hold a coffee with your right hand You'll need to install a cup holder.
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Old 11-07-2015, 08:25 AM   #13
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Well for one the clutch pedal on a medium duty truck or bus is USUALLY a LOT firmer and has a lot more travel than a Honda Civic's.
But as mentioned- missing about half my left thigh muscle.
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Old 11-07-2015, 08:29 AM   #14
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Yes, I'm sure there are some old stiff clutches out there. Mine surely isn't. The clutch pedal in my bus has more travel (better leverage) than the 1995 Pathfinder, but the pressure required to bring it down to the floor is the same. Well lubricated joints make all the difference...

I have the Spicer 5-speed, btw.
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Old 11-07-2015, 09:12 AM   #15
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Everyone needs a hobby, but pressing a clutch pedal and wiggling a stick around are not one for me. I feel like I am doing a silly square dance or some such.
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Everything I own is a manual transmission.

However, driving a large diesel engine that must re spool the turbo between every gear shift sucks a$$.

The lack of usable RPM, and the having the turbo lag makes for retarded slow going.

Last year while landscaping, I watched two large motor homes pull away from a traffic light. Both units would have been around 35,000 pounds. One had a 13 speed, the other a 3000 series Allison.

The motor home with the auto 3000 series Allison transmission was so far ahead, he was slowing down for the next traffic light before the motor home with the 13 speed was even up to the speed limit of 80 kmh, leaving the first red light.

Even my 01 Dodge 2500 with the 5.9 24 valve and the NV4500 5 speed standard transmission sucks to drive in stop and go traffic. I will be swapping in a 1000 series Allison automatic at some point.

My cars will always stay standard. If I had a bush truck with big tires, it would also be a standard.

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Old 11-07-2015, 11:08 AM   #17
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Everything I own is a manual transmission.

However, driving a large diesel engine that must re spool the turbo between every gear shift sucks a$$.

The lack of usable RPM, and the having the turbo lag makes for retarded slow going.

Last year while landscaping, I watched two large motor homes pull away from a traffic light. Both units would have been around 35,000 pounds. One had a 13 speed, the other a 3000 series Allison.

The motor home with the auto 3000 series Allison transmission was so far ahead, he was slowing down for the next traffic light before the motor home with the 13 speed was even up to the speed limit of 80 kmh, leaving the first red light.

Even my 01 Dodge 2500 with the 5.9 24 valve and the NV4500 5 speed standard transmission sucks to drive in stop and go traffic. I will be swapping in a 1000 series Allison automatic at some point.

My cars will always stay standard. If I had a bush truck with big tires, it would also be a standard.

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Well for one the clutch pedal on a medium duty truck or bus is USUALLY a LOT firmer and has a lot more travel than a Honda Civic's.
But as mentioned- missing about half my left thigh muscle.

This makes me laugh because it reminds me of a time that I had a mobile mix concrete truck. It had a 410hp Mercedes engine with an Auto-shift 10 speed transmission. Basically a 10 speed manual with solenoids to do the shifting but you still had to use a clutch to start and stop. One time while I was getting a PM service at the dealer, I complained about how stiff the clutch pedal was. The service writer told me to man up. After I was done hurling expletives at the service writer, I made him climb in the truck and I told him to hold the peddle down for 2 minutes. After about 15 seconds, he let go and said, "wow, it is kind of stiff." Douche bag! They didn't have a solution to my problem.
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Old 11-09-2015, 12:19 PM   #19
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However, driving a large diesel engine that must re spool the turbo between every gear shift sucks a$$.

The lack of usable RPM, and the having the turbo lag makes for retarded slow going.
^ If ever there was a reason for me to get an automatic, that would be the one. I remember reading that one of the larger, diesel VW SUVs got better fuel economy than the manual transmission version due to the transmission keeping the turbo spooled. I wouldn't expect to see fuel efficiency gains in a bus with an automatic, but the acceleration could certainly be better than a manual.

Do many people out there in bus land notice their transmissions keeping the engine in that turbo sweet spot between shifts?
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I've not thought about that, but yeah my bus does stay spooled up pretty well. 1st to 2nd is awesome. It feels almost as rewarding as really shifting, in an odd sort of way.
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