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Old 01-29-2009, 04:15 PM   #1
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Which engine?

I've come across 3 84 pass. buses that may be at a good price. One has the Cummins 5.9 (which many of you have and like). One has the 8.3 Cummins (a powerhouse?) and one has the 8.2 Detroit. We know about the fuel economy (in relative terms) of the 5.9. Greg of Florida church bus seems to always point out whenever he has an 8.2 Detroit that it will get 10-12 miles per gallon. The 8.3 speaks for itself I presume. If all are in good working order....which would our esteemed, intelligent, erudite and of course above average looking contributors to this wonderful forum prefer? I'm going to drive all 3 just because I can't pass up the opportunity to drive such a big bus. I'll post afterwords.
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Old 01-29-2009, 06:42 PM   #2
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Re: Which engine?

In order of preference:
8.3 Cummins
5.9 Cummins
Another bus.
8.2 Detroit.
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:50 PM   #3
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Re: Which engine?

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In order of preference:
8.3 Cummins
5.9 Cummins
Another bus.
8.2 Detroit.

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Old 01-30-2009, 12:36 AM   #4
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Re: Which engine?

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Old 01-30-2009, 11:59 AM   #5
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Re: Which engine?

I stopped and talked with the local bus guy. Same answer. He said if I had an 8.2 Detroit...."don't even drive by my shop" Well thanks for the replies. I'm working on another harebrained idea and when I get enough bourbon in me (so the laughter won't weaken my resolve) I'll start a new thread and get the group feedback.

Not the thread topic, but Julie have been the bus for about 8 mos. Temps here in W. Texas at night have been in the mid teens regularly (8 F the other morning,not the frigid north I know) and we are snug with just our catalytic heater and one electric tower heater. The only thing that we do regularly is leave the water trickling at night. I just posted this info. for you potential full time bus livers. I'm sure SeanF and others would have better info. since they are full timing in colder climates.

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Old 01-31-2009, 09:35 AM   #6
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Re: Which engine?

My buddy's brother is a truck mechanic: he LOVES 8.2 Jimmys! He figures they have gotten him a house, a Ram 2500, and a travel trailer by now.

His bus has a 5.9 Cummins. This is NOT a coincidence.
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Old 02-07-2009, 08:22 AM   #7
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Probably because most people know the 8.2 is a turd...but churches buying buses might well NOT. You're better off with a gas engine.

DD's record with any 4-stroke smaller than a Series 50 is pretty dismal, actually.
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Old 02-22-2009, 02:30 PM   #8
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Re: Which engine?

I have to say, I would place a DT466 right up there with the Cummins.

The 8.2 is a turd?

I went and looked at a truck with that exact engine in it recently.
A friend was buying it to do a certain job and then he was pretty much done with the vehicle.
It was thousands less than anything else out there.
That was 6 years ago. He used it, sold it...and now the guy he sold it to uses it daily and is pleased as punch with it.

I have seen few Skoolies (I have been looking and planning/talking to people for more than 5 years now) that actually log more than 20,000 miles after being converted.
Most people take them on a few trips (maybe one really long one) and then they stay within a hundred miles of home after that.

I guess what I am trying to say is, if the 8.2 you are looking at runs like a million dollars and you really are building the thing to go camping within a few hundred miles 5 times a year...figure out how many miles you are going to put on it. Few diesels will not show wear prior to popping.
How many miles are YOU going to put on your skoolie?

Is the big Cummins or DT 4 grand more? Do you know you can replace a B series cummins used for less than 4 grand?

Please do not misunderstand me. I tend to agree with the big cummins/B series/detroit...as long as you put the DT466 right in there with the big cummins, but it is also a good thing to do the math and figure out what is right for your situation. If you do not plan on putting more then 12,000 miles on the thing over the next 6 years, you will be likely doing tranny work before that 8.2 will blow anyway.

The injection system scares a lot of people away. Once you understand the way it works, it is not bad at all.

Personally, I would rather have a Series 60 Detroit with a Straight 10 speed trans in a Skoolie. Ripped right out of a wrecked Tractor with 300,000 miles or so on it.
This engine would have enough use so it would not be worth a yards time to resell it, so the wreck would go cheap...but it would carry a skoolie around for another 300K on average, get great mileage and have a gear for each and every situation.

One more thing.
A 5.9, cared for well that has not been turned up will last just as long as a bigger Cummins that has been stretched and denied a few oil changes.
Swapping a B series (5.9/Dodge truck motor) over to synthetic oil at 120,000 miles will just about double its usable lifespan.
(What I mean is...I would take a 5.9 with all the records proving its impeccable maintenance over the larger motor that is a crapshoot.)

I wonder what this site seems to have against the 466 motor??? (Or am I missing something?)
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I wonder what this site seems to have against the 466 motor??? (Or am I missing something?)
I don't think anyone has a thing against the DT466 except that it is difficult to find in used buses and seems to go for a premium when you do find one.
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Old 02-22-2009, 03:40 PM   #10
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Re: Which engine?

Yeah, I noticed that about the pricing. I wish it was not that way. My next thread is going to be about prices.

I would have to say the 466 would be my top choice if I had to buy one without the "replace the engine" plan in the back of my mind.

One thing I would like to clarify so I do not sound like a fish story teller.

The truck I went to look at WAS the same one my friend had bought more than 6 years earlier. It did not sound right when I read it, but that is what I meant.
The reason i felt the need to mention it, is the lack of any issues in that 8.2 after daily use for all that time and I think another 130,000 miles. (Now clocking near 280,000 if i am thinking right.)
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