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Old 04-09-2019, 10:32 AM   #1
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Question Which Would you Pick?

I'm looking at one of a couple potential buses to buy - Which of these would you pick to take on highway trips, quite possibly hilly areas.

1998 DT466E w/ Spicer 5spd manual (unknown hp)
2008 DT466E w/ Alison 2000 series auto? (220hp)

Also curious, If this is a spicer 5 speed, what's the 2nd stick?
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I'm still looking for my perfect bus... I'm well versed in driving a manual trans, just never in a bus...

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Old 04-09-2019, 10:40 AM   #2
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We would normally shy away from anything newer than an 03-04. After that they had issues with emission equipment on them that was problematic to diagnose and expensive to repair.
Is that Spicer actually a 10sp with a low and high range?
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Old 04-09-2019, 10:43 AM   #3
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It's possible. That's kinda why I'm asking. If the trans is a 5spd, then that may be a doubler?


As far as shying away from the 2008 -- I assume this being a DT466E it only has an EGR, not a DPF/DEF setup, and understood from previous readings, if you needed to go to that era, the DT466E would be about the best to deal with for it?


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Stumbled across this on schoolbusfleet:

"has anyone come accross any egr delete kits for maxxforce dt's? we are considering this option due to having so many egr problems with both 2007 and 2010 models.this is just an option we are looking into, any info would be helpful"

There are a lot of other factors. Miles, rust, tires etc. If they were comparable otherwise I would go with the'98.
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"has anyone come accross any egr delete kits for maxxforce dt's?
There are a lot of other factors. Miles, rust, tires etc. If they were comparable otherwise I would go with the'98.

Rust is about the same, very, very minimal. Mileage is within 40k of eachother, and this is -not- a maxxforce engine. It must be one of the very last of the DT466E before they started going to the maxxforce 7, etc. Tires all have 'tread' enough for a year.



The 2008 does have onspot chains, which I kinda dig. It also has air ride in the rear.


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I doubt you're going to find anyone recommending the newer bus over the older one.
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I doubt you're going to find anyone recommending the newer bus over the older one.
He's hoping someone will.
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Google "DT466e EGR cooler" and do a bit of reading.

That may temper the enthusiasm for the 2007.
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He's hoping someone will.
Maybe so. He certainly wouldn't be the first person to come on here, ask for advice, get a unanimous response backed with evidence, and make the opposite choice. Look at all the people asking about VT365 buses.
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He's hoping someone will.

Honestly, I do question how much of the hysteria over emissions is simply because of a school bus' general usage -- stop and go, slow speed. It must build up soot like crazy under those conditions. My use case will be almost all highway, which would be way better for the emissions system, burning off that carbon buildup. Do I think it will be a zero issue? Of course not, but I also don't think it'd be a huge deal breaker either. At some point, all of the old ones will have rotted away, and the choice will come down to the 'good old ones from the 2000s vs the bad ones from 2020'



In all honesty, I suppose I should have simply left the engines out -- The transmission is what concerns me in the ol' guy -- I'd hate to find out she tops out at 55mph or the syncros make it a nightmare to downshift on hills, etc.


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